Ab 29:45 min.: Joe lässt sich nicht einschüchtern.
Er kenne seinen Sohn. Es sei ihm egal, wenn er verklagt werde. Klagen könne man wegen allem möglichen, aber klagen und gewinnen seien zwei verschiedene Dinge.
Ab 29:45 min.: Joe lässt sich nicht einschüchtern.
Er kenne seinen Sohn. Es sei ihm egal, wenn er verklagt werde. Klagen könne man wegen allem möglichen, aber klagen und gewinnen seien zwei verschiedene Dinge.
Ach Joseph, was wäre die Welt nur ohne dich....
..joa..sollte man sich zu Gemüte führn..hatte ich aber schon mal eingestellt in diesem thread..:ja
^sorry, habs wohl übersehn/vergessen. ist mir halt gestern über den weg gelaufen
..im MJJC eingestellt:
Estate files objection to Robson's creditor claim-
OBJECTION TO PETITION TO FILE A LATE CREDITOR'S CLAIM by Attorney for Executor
Wade Robson Is
FULL OF IT!
Lawyers for the Michael Jackson Estate are scoffing at Wade Robson's creditor's claim ... saying it's absurd he had no idea for nearly 4 YEARS that the Estate was being probated and there was a deadline for filing claims.
Attorney Howard Weitzman wrote incredulously ... the MJ probate is one of the most high-profile ever, and Wade is very connected in the music biz. So, Weitzman asks, how could it be he had no idea there was a deadline of 4 months after the Estate proceedings began to file a creditor's claim?
TMZ broke the story ... Robson has filed the claim, alleging MJ molested him for 7 years -- between the ages of 7 and 14.
Weitzman is asking the judge to reject Robson's claim on grounds it was filed ridiculously late.
Der Estate hat beantragt, Robsons Forderung abzuweisen. Die Frist sei längst um Jahre überschritten, zudem sei die beschuldigte Person verstorben und könne sich nicht selbst gegen Anschuldigungen verteidigen.
..wenn ich das richtig verstehe ... hatte WR in seinem Antrag behauptet er habe sich halt nicht an die Frist halten können.... weil er nicht offiziell über Fristen informiert worden sei....
...und weiter unten in dem Schreiben von WRs Anwälten steht... WR habe ja niiiiieeeeemals damit an die Öffentlichkeit gehen wollen und er und seine Anwälte hätten ja erst geredet... nachdem sich andere wie zB. Mesereau und Mitglieder der Familie in diffamierender Weise über ihn geäußert hätten und da hätte er sich halt schützen und seinen Ruf wiederherstellen müssen ....blahblahblah..
Judge says he's inclined to unseal portions of molestation claim against Michael Jackson
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY AP Entertainment Writer
First Posted: June 06, 2013 - 3:17 pm
Last Updated: June 06, 2013 - 3:20 pm
LOS ANGELES — A judge said Thursday he was inclined to unseal portions of a choreographer's court filings alleging he was abused by Michael Jackson.
However, personal details and psychiatrist reports would likely not be released.
Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff said he needed to address which records should remain sealed before he can deal with whether Wade Robson, a choreographer and television personality, can pursue his claim.
Robson requested on May 1 that Beckloff allow him to file a late creditor's claim against Jackson's estate nearly eight years to the day after he testified in Jackson's defense at the singer's molestation trial.
Jackson was acquitted after Robson told jurors the entertainer never touched him inappropriately. Henry Gradstein, an attorney for Robson, said a breakdown last year prompted Robson to address the abuse.
Howard Weitzman, an attorney for Jackson's estate and Thomas Messereau, the lawyer who successfully defended Jackson, have attacked Robson's credibility and noted his repeated defense of the singer.
Weitzman has called the accusations "outrageous and pathetic."
"We are confident that the court will see this for what it is" he said at the time the allegations were first made.
On Thursday, Beckloff presented attorneys with possible redactions of Robson's sworn declaration and said it should serve as a roadmap for what information can be made public.
The judge believes some of the material could be made public, even though attorneys on both sides would like the case sealed in its entirety.
Some of Robson's private and personal information, including a paragraph that detailed his allegations of abuse by Jackson, should be sealed, Beckloff said.
He also said portions of the records that deal with mental health issues also should not be released.
"There aren't a lot of redactions," Beckloff said of his suggestions.
Attorneys for Robson and Jackson's estate will review the suggestions by the judge and report back at a hearing on June 25, the fourth anniversary of Jackson's death.
Beckoff, who is overseeing the probate case involving Jackson's massive estate, said he will also handle a separate lawsuit filed by Robson against Jackson and two other defendants listed as "Doe 2" and "Doe 3" that includes allegations of abuse by the entertainer. That lawsuit also remains sealed.
Robson, 30, has worked with Britney Spears and numerous other stars. He was 22 at the time he testified, telling jurors in Jackson's criminal case that he met the pop star when he was 5 and spent the night at Jackson's Neverland Ranch more than 20 times, sleeping in the singer's bedroom on most visits.
During the trial, Robson bristled at testimony by other witnesses that they had seen Jackson molest him.
"I'm very mad about it," he told jurors. "It's not true and they put my name through the dirt."
Gradstein previously issued a statement saying, "Last year, on a career trajectory that was off the charts, (Robson) collapsed under the stress and sexual trauma of what had happened to him for seven years as a child."
..gefunden... von MR über Michael.. im Dance-Magazine Sept. 2009...
"I learned altruism from him. In the entertainment industry, it’s easy to get jaded. Despite all of the madness he went through, he had such an innocence. He trusted people, and in his heart, believed in them."
Von ihm lernte ich (Altruismus) Nächstenliebe/Uneigennützigkeit. In der Entertainment Industrie ist es leicht, abgestumpft zu werden. Trotz all dem Wahnsinn, durch den er ging, hatte er solch eine Unschuld/Arglosigkeit. Er vertraute den Leuten, und in seinem Herzen glaubte er an sie.
Robson can't dance after Jackson 'trauma'
A Los Angeles judge is mulling whether to make public the names of two "celebrities" and "salacious" details included in court documents filed
by Australian dance choreographer Wade Robson who alleges pop star Michael Jackson molested him as a child.
Lawyers for Robson and Jackson's estate requested all documents be sealed to protect Robson and Jackson's three children, but Superior
Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff rejected that.The judge says he will agree to some redactions, and the edited documents are expected to be released later this week.
During a hearing in downtown LA on Tuesday, Judge Beckloff described two people named in Robson's filings as celebrities and said his tentative
decision was to not redact their names.Lawyers for Jackson's estate have argued redactions should be made to protect the late
entertainer's three children - Prince, Paris and Blanket.I want to raise the privacy issues and concerns of the family, specifically the
minor beneficiaries," Jackson estate lawyer Howard Weitzman said."I think those interests might outweigh the interest the public might have in salacious details."
Judge Beckloff also supervises the guardianship of Jackson's three children and during the hearing he told the court he'd sent an investigator
earlier this month to look into media reports that 15-year-old Paris had attempted to take her own life.One of the reported triggers of
the suicide attempt was Robson's claim the King of Pop was a sexual predator who brainwashed, threatened and committed sex acts on him from
the age of seven through to 14.Judge Beckloff told the court he was satisfied no changes should be made to the current arrangement of
grandmother Katherine Jackson and cousin TJ Jackson acting as the children's guardians.In deciding whether sections of Robson's filings should be redacted, Paris' vulnerability could be taken into account.
"I think Mr Weitzman wants to argue that is a circumstance, that minor's circumstance and situation, that I should consider in considering their request for additional material be sealed," the judge said.
Robson's molestation claims emerged in May when he filed a late creditor's claim against the deceased pop star's estate.The 30-year-old, originally from Brisbane, had been Jackson's staunchest supporter, testifying under oath at Jackson's 2005 child molestation trial that Jackson never molested him.Robson claims it wasn't
until after Jackson's 2009 death and the birth of his son that he was psychologically and emotionally able and willing to understand he was
sexually abused.Robson was one of the world's top choreographers,working with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears and winning an Emmy
Award for his work on the US version of TV competition So You Think You Can Dance.He also co-wrote hit songs for 'NSync and Backstreet Boys.His lawyer, Henry Gradstein, said Robson could no longer dance, sing or write songs."It now makes him sick doing what he has talent to do," Mr Gradstein said.
..gestern war ja eine weiter Anhörung.... beide Anwälte wollen die Unterlagen unter Verschluss halten.
Der Richter möchte diese jedoch in dieser Woche mit bestimmten Streichungen dennoch veröffentlichen.
Es sind wohl angeblich 2 bekannte Persönlichkeiten genannt..
...diese Namen werden wohl veröffentlicht...
WR kann lt. seinem Anwalt nicht mehr tanzen und singen, weil er so leidet..:kotz..:zorn...
Details Molestation Allegations Against MJ
Wade Robson has outlined the sexual molestation allegations
against Michael Jackson, claiming MJ molested him in various ways
from February 4, 1990 and 7 years thereafter.
The documents -- obtained by TMZ -- are heavily redacted.
In one section alone, 7 lines of alleged abuse are blacked out.
Wade's lawyer claims after MJ's first accuser -- Jordan Chandler --
made allegations against MJ, Michael started calling Wade and
"brainwashed him into being a good soldier."
According to the docs, Michael would role-play with Wade, saying
"They are saying we did all of this disgusting sexual stuff.
We never did any of that, right?"
In another role-playing session in 2005 - during the molestation trial
-- Michael allegedly told Wade, "They are making up all these lies
about you and I, saying that we did all this disgusting sexual stuff.
They are just trying to take us down, take away my power and my
money, take away our careers. We can't let them do this."
Is ja widerllich der Kerl
MJ Had Sex With Me On The SECOND Night I Stayed At Neverland — When I Was Just 7: Wade Robson Tells His Story Of Abuse
Posted on Jun 27, 2013 @ 15:46PM | By Dylan Howard
Michael Jackson allegedly made his move on Wade Robson when he was just seven years of age — as his sister slept in another bed just feet away at Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara, California.
Robson, now 30, has told how the King of Pop made his first sexual advances on the young child prodigy in the star’s bedroom in 1990, as the Australia-born dancer’s older sister Chantal slept in the same room and often with his mother under the same roof.
The abuse allegedly continued unabated for another two weeks and from then on, for a period of seven years.
“We can never tell anyone what WE are doing,” Jackson told Robson, according to new court documents filed in the father-of-one’s creditor’s claim against the Estate of the late singer and obtained by RadarOnline.com.
In the declaration, Robson revealed the 13-time Grammy Award-winner suggested to him: “People are ignorant and they would never understand that we love each other and this is how we show it. If anyone were to ever find out, OUR lives and career would be over.”
Robson recounted how he first met Jackson at a meet-and-greet with the pop star during the Australian leg of his ‘Bad’ tour. Two years later, at age seven, he traveled with the Johnny Young Talent School located in Brisbane, Australia, to perform at Disneyland in Anaheim, California.
“Several family members traveled with me to America,” Robson said.
“During our stay in Los Angeles, I met Doe 1 [Jackson] at a recording studio in Van Nuys, California. During our meeting, Doe 1 invited me and my whole family to spend the weekend at his Santa Barbara County ranch, Neverland Valley Ranch. My family stayed the weekend at the ranch, but then left me alone with Doe for another week.”
On the first night at Neverland, Robson and sister Chantal both slept in Jackson’s bedroom — in the same bed as the adult singer — it’s claimed.
But the following night, “Chantal expressed concern about sleeping in Doe 1′s bed and elected instead to sleep in a separate bed on a different floor of Doe’s two-floor bedroom.”
Robson, though, opted to sleep in Jackson’s bed again. That’s when Robson’s lifelong nightmare was said to have begun.
“Doe 1 began sexually abusing me on or about that night,” Robson told court. “The sexual abuse continued every night through the nearly two weeks that I spent at the ranch during that early 1990 visit as well as at Doe 1′s apartment in the Westwood section of Los Angeles before my family and I returned to Australia.”
Specific allegations of abuse were heavily redacted from Robson’s filing. In one section alone, seven lines of alleged abuse were blacked out by the Los Angeles probate court in order to protect Robson’s privacy.
However, according to sections of what was released, it’s claimed that even while Robson’s family was at Neverland, he continued to sleep with Jackson in his bed and “the sexual abuse continued.”
When Robson returned to Australia following his two-week visit, his relationship with the Beat It singer continued via faxes and frequent telephone conversations for “hours each week.”
He pledged to the hit-maker that he would never tell about what happened between them.
“I swore I would never tell a soul about what we did and did not until May 2012,” Robson wrote in the seven page, hand-signed declaration.
That wasn’t the end of the abuse, he said. Between the ages of seven and nine, Robson and his mother Joy traveled to the United States from their hometown of Brisbane on two occasions.
“One trip was for one week and the other was for six weeks,” Robson said. “During these trips, my mother would stay in a hotel or guest room while I stayed with Doe 1 in his bedroom and in his bed. The sexual abuse continued every night we were together.
“It was during these years that my ‘God’ became my ‘friend’ and told me that he loved me and wanted to be with me.”
Shedding light on their apparent and illicit bond, Robson said Jackson — who died at age 50 from an overdose of surgical anesthetic proposal — “encouraged” him to call him ‘Dad’ and he would, in turn, call Robson his ‘Son’.
The pair, Robson claimed, would also watch explicit adult pornography in the form of magazines, books and videos — until it all stopped at age 14.
That was when Robson began to show signs of puberty — and “the sexual abuse by Decedent [Jackson] became less frequent,” charged the court documents.
However, what complicates Robson’s bid for damages is that he infamously denied in testimony at Jackson’s child molestation trial in 2005 that he’d been molested by the singer — charges which Jackson was ultimately acquitted of, partly based on the testimony of Robson, his sister and his mother.
Now, Robson has alleged that Jackson “coached” him “every day” to provide certain statements against claims of molestation, beginning with the Jordy Chandler case in September 1993.
“He would tell me that our phones were tapped and ‘they’ were listening to everything we said,” Robson said of private conversations with Jackson.
EXCLUSIVE DOCUMENTS: Wade Robson’s Creditor’s Claim Against The Estate Of Michael Jackson
“He would role play with me and say to me, ‘They are saying we did all of this disgusting sexual stuff. We never did any of that, right?’ I would play along and answer, ‘No way!’ He would say, ‘If they believed that we did any of this sexual stuff, YOU AND I would go to jail for the rest of our lives. Our lives and careers would be over. We’ve got to fight this. We’ve got to beat them together.”
Jackson selected, hired and paid for the lawyer who represented Robson in relation to his testimony to the grand jury in the Chandler case, it was also revealed.
Then, when Jackson was criminally charged in 2005, he again, allegedly, began to coach Robson.
“Doe 1 [Jackson] called me constantly and coached me by acting out similar role play as he did with me in 1993 when I was 11, telling me such things as, ‘They are making up all these lies about you and I. They are trying tying to take US down, take away my power and money, take away our careers. We can’t let them do this. We have to fight them together.’”
Robson recalled he would play along with his idol, just as he did when he was 11.
“I still did not believe that I was sexually abused,” he said.
“I did not believe that I was forced. I believed that I was a consenting participant in the sexual acts that Doe and I engaged in. I also believed that I was absolutely fine with what went on between us.
“My state of mind was essentially the same as when I was eleven and I denied any abuse.”
According to Robson, it wasn’t until May 8, 2012 that he realized he’d been systematically abused — after multiple nervous breakdowns which included feelings of extreme stress, anxiety, fear, depression and insomnia.
His lawyer told the court, “It was only within the past year, as the result of a complete psychological collapse arising from the fulfilling of a ‘prophecy’ made by the Decedent [Jackson] to Claimant [Robson] that Claimant would one day direct films and a fear that what happened to him as a child could also happen to his own young son, that Claimant, with the assistance of insight-orientated therapy, has relayed that his relationship with his god, his idol and his father figure, Michael Jackson, which began when Claimant was only five years old, was built on sexual abuse and that Claimant was the victim of extensive psychological trauma.
“The decision to pursue a claim against the Estate for the actions of Decedent was not one that Claimant arrived at without a careful and measured evaluation of its implications, as filing this Petition would necessarily mean that he would have to disclose to others the shameful and loathsome nature of his childhood sexual relationship with Decedent, the effects of which he has buried for decades.”
Jackson’s estate has labeled Robson’s claims as “outrageous and pathetic.”
“This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath over the past 20 years and said in numerous interviews that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him or with him,” lawyer Howard Weitzman said previously.
“Now, nearly four years after Michael has passed this sad and less than credible claim has been made. We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.”
...Michael hat WR Nächstenliebe und Uneigennützigkeit beigebracht?
...dann hat Wade wohl nicht richtig aufgepasst.... vielleicht hat das traumhafte Neverland ihn abgelenkt?
...musste jetzt fast drüber lachen... wie alt war Wade noch gleich.. 2005?...und dann machte Michael obige Rollenspiele mit ihm? ...
...wohlgemerkt, einen erwachsenen jungen Mann...:tatort
...ach ja, und die Haushälterin mit der Dusche... die musste ja auch kommen.... als "glaubwürdige" Unterstützung passt die ja genau....
...musste jetzt fast drüber lachen... wie alt war Wade noch gleich.. 2005?...und dann machte Michael obige Rollenspiele mit ihm? ......wohlgemerkt, einen erwachsenen jungen Mann...:tatort
Da fällt man echt vom Glauben ab ... wer sagt mir denn daß er nicht jetzt manipuliert wurde und jemand ihm diesen Schwachsinn eingeredet hat.
Leicht zu manipulieren ist er ja offensichtlich
..Wade's Märchenstunde geht weiter..:bla
MJ Molestation Accuser Says King Of Pop’s Eerie SPIELBERG Prophecy Triggered Abuse Memories
Posted on Jun 28, 2013 @ 3:56AM | By Dylan Howard
Michael Jackson “prophesized” that Wade Robson would one day become a film director bigger than two-time Academy Award winner Steven Spielberg — an eerie prediction that ultimately prompted the molestation accuser to have a nervous breakdown and reveal seven years of alleged abuse.
According to documents filed in a Los Angeles Superior Court and obtained by RadarOnline.com, the 30-year-old dancer-choreographer was hired in early 2011 to direct a “large budget” dance film that “Decedent [Jackson] had once ‘prophesized’ Claimant [Robson] would do.”
“But by April 2011, overwhelmed with stress and anxiety, Claimant [Robson] was unable to work and quit the film,” lawyers for Robson wrote in their filing as part of a claim for money against the late singer’s Estate.
“Following the walk-away from the biggest opportunity of his life, Claimant met with a cognitive psychologist for about a month in attempt to understand Why his life was unravelling, but never discussed with him the childhood sexual activities with Decedent.”
Months later, Robson began working again and was back to “invincible status” before he had a final, “complete breakdown” in March, 2012.
He has been unable to work since, it’s claimed.
During the meltdown and amid extreme stress, anxiety, fear and depression, Robson told a psychologist — for the first time — that Jackson had abused him for seven years, beginning at age seven.
“This realization initiated an enormous emotional, psychological and psychological upheaval in my life that continues to this day,” Robson, who was born in Australia, wrote in his seven page, hand-signed declaration to the court.
He also recalled that fateful conversation with the King of Pop about Spielberg.
At some point during a trip to Los Angeles in 1990, “Doe 1 [Jackson] gave me the nickname ‘Little One’. He continued to call me by that name all the way up until his death in 2009. He also began to fill my head with maxims to live by such as ‘Be in the history books’ and ‘Immortalize yourself’.
“He also prophesized that I would one day be a film director bigger than Steven Spielberg. As far as I was concerned, Doe 1 had written my fate.”
Robson, a father of one, told court: “Since beginning to talk about the abuse, everything in my life has changed. I am no longer in the entertainment business and can never be again. I need a new life for myself and my family; this civil action, which for me involves finally speaking the truth as loud as I suppressed it for all these years, is part of the process.”