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  • MJ Charity Song Burns Contest Winner
    Fox 411
    Thursday, January 19, 2006


    By Roger Friedman


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    'Dream' Song Is Nightmare for Writer


    Michael Jackson's long-awaited charity single wasn't written by him. In fact, the lyrics were commissioned for a contest that was won by a songwriter who was subsequently kicked to the curb rather than rewarded for his work.


    Ric Kipp, who describes himself as being in his mid-40s, is a veteran Nashville musician who works in a local wine store for $9 an hour. In 2002, he entered a songwriting competition sponsored by AOL on behalf of writers-producers David Foster and Carole Bayer-Sager for their now defunct music company, Tonos (their other partner was Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds.)


    The contest promised the winner that Jackson would record their song and possibly place it on an album. The song would be used for charitable purposes. Jackson was advertised as the composer of the instrumental part of the song.


    But now the song, called "I Have This Dream," could be part of an interesting authorship dispute. Kipp won the contest with his lyrics. Kipp tells me that when he was brought to a Los Angeles studio for the prize recording, Foster told him he was excited about the lyrics and wanted to use his work. But the award-winning Bayer-Sager, Kipp says, was intent on using her own lyrics.


    Unfortunately, this would completely contradict the press release Tonos, Jackson and AOL released on May 10, 2002. The release included this wordage:


    "The contest gives AOL members the opportunity to co-write a song with the BMI-affiliated "King of Pop," as well as with Foster and Bayer-Sager. The winning submission will be recorded by Jackson himself and may be released as part of an upcoming album. All proceeds from the song will be donated to children's charities around the world."


    Kipp tells me that after he won the contest he was brought out to Los Angeles. Tonos and AOL gave him $1,500 for expenses, did not put him up at a hotel and kept him waiting in the studio for Jackson for several days before giving up the ghost.


    Jackson was simply not coming. He never did show for the promised recording session.


    Kipp says he not only wrote the lyrics but composed a musical "bridge" for Foster, who recorded the finished product with one of Faith Hill's female back-up singers.


    Kipp says that Foster's son-in-law, Simon Gillies, even videotaped the writing sessions for a possible documentary about the contest. In the end, Kipp says he went home and "I never heard from any of these people again."


    Gillies, who ran the A&R department for Tonos, confirmed for me that he did tape the writing sessions. He also revealed that that Foster, his father-in-law and not Michael Jackson, wrote the music for the song with one of his associates.


    " Jackson had nothing to do with it," he said.


    Cut to the other day, when a friend told Kipp he'd read about Jackson's new charity single called "I Have This Dream." If it's ever released, the single is intended to help the people of the Gulf Coast, even though the hurricane is now almost five months in the past and other artists have already put out their own singles.


    Ironies abound here: Kipp told me when I spoke to him that he's from New Orleans originally, and that his family home was wiped out by Katrina, so his relatives might benefit from any money raised by charity singles.


    Unfortunately for Kipp, the "dream" in the title has become a nightmare. At first he thought winning the contest would be a breakthrough for him in the music industry.


    Back in 2002, when he won the contest, he thought he'd made it at last. Instead, the roller coaster ride that ensued more or less undid him.


    "Rich people don't realize what something like this does to you," he told me. "It was like the boy who cried wolf. We thought everything was going to come from this."


    Alas, things turned out quite differently. "We were promised everything and got nothing," he said.


    Now, of course, there's a problem. Jackson's publicist Raymone K. Bain told me: "Kipp won the contest but his lyrics weren't deemed worthy of a song sung by Michael Jackson. Carole told me she rewrote them."


    Bayer-Sager says that Kipp's lyrics were simply not good enough, and that in the end she, Foster and Jackson rewrote them.


    "It was always understood that Michael wouldn't record the song if it wasn't up to our standards," she said.


    That this philosophy undermines the whole reason for having a contest and selecting a winner was a subject she didn't broach.


    What does seem to have happened, from reading over lyric sheets that Kipp sent me, is that he won with one set of lyrics, then Foster and Bayer-Sager began massaging them. Eventually, a finished song was produced, with a combination of lyrics. But in the intervening time, Kipp's contribution was cut to nil, and now nearly nothing remains of his work.


    Bayer-Sager, Foster and AOL are all part of the Time Warner family. Bayer-Sager has had a long association with the company; she is the wife of former longtime Warner Bros. co-chairman Robert Daly.


    Foster has produced and recorded exclusively for the Warner Music Group since long before it was sold to a group of investors. And AOL was famously merged into Time Warner several years ago.

  • Mal langsam Roger .MJ und AOL haben einen Song Contest gemacht und der Gewinner darf drauf hoffen das des Lied dann auf einem der neuen Alben sein wird ? Aber der Text war so schlecht das man ihn Umgeschrieben hat ?



    Und Überhaupt ............?????????????????????????????????



    Versteh ich net

  • um überhaupt wissen zu können, wieviel da nun von diesem kipp kopiert wurde, müsste man erstmal den song selbst kennen, die lyrics und melodie. aber irgendwie vermisse ich den part in dem artikel, wo friedbrain schreibt, dass er den song schon mal gehört hat... :tatort

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    Originally posted by whoisit@Donnerstag, 19.1.06 - 17:36Â Uhr
    um überhaupt wissen zu können, wieviel da nun von diesem kipp kopiert wurde, müsste man erstmal den song selbst kennen, die lyrics und melodie. aber irgendwie vermisse ich den part in dem artikel, wo friedbrain schreibt, dass er den song schon mal gehört hat... :tatort

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    What does seem to have happened, from reading over lyric sheets that Kipp sent me, is that he won with one set of lyrics, then Foster and Bayer-Sager began massaging them. Eventually, a finished song was produced, with a combination of lyrics. But in the intervening time, Kipp's contribution was cut to nil, and now nearly nothing remains of his work.

  • Skkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnndddddaaaaalllllll MJ schrieb Text net Selber für Neue Single <<<< Ganz ganz schlimm :spinnen

  • also erst wars ne mischung dann wieder net, dann warens lyrics von dem kipp,
    dann warense aber plötzlich nimmer drin, weil se quasi in den nil ge"kippt" wurden...
    so gesehen sinds ja dann doch mikes lyrics, wenn an das material von diesem kipp nix mehr erinnert.... :tatort


    dass der prince wat geschrieben hatte, stimmt ja.
    aber DAS wurde ja verworfen und umgetextet...lol.



    ich sehe, wir wissen mehr als alle andern.
    und dennoch...
    wir wissen NIX :rofl :respekt :rofl

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    Originally posted by badwoman@Donnerstag, 19.1.06 - 19:05Â Uhr

    ich sehe, wir wissen mehr als alle andern.


    wir wissen NIX :rofl :respekt :rofl

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    das unterschreib ich sogar blind :P




    ;D

    Michael und Madonna streiten sich, wer wohl reicher ist von Beiden. Madonna:" Ich bin so reich, dass ich die ganze Welt kaufen könnte."
    Michael grinst, zuckt lässig die Schultern, schiebt die Hände in die Hosentaschen und meint lakonisch:" Ich verkaufe aber nicht."


    Die ganze Welt ist ein Irrenhaus,
    Aber bei Mir ist die Zentrale.


    Fragt nicht Wo, fragt nicht Wann, fragt nicht Wieso
    ABER wir werden uns wiedersehen !

  • Ich frage mich, wie viel MJ damals von diesem AOL Contest wusste :lol
    Weil in der ganzen Story über den armen Kipp und so weiter, taucht MJ nur als nicht anwesender Nebendarsteller auf.


    Foster hat das Lied also geschrieben? Nun, wenn das dann nicht auf dem Endprodukt erscheint, wird Foster mit Sicherheit was dagegen tun. Er ist ein ganz, ganz alter Hase. Und ich persönlich mache mir keine Sorgen um seine Tantiemen. Er wird schon zusehen, dass da nichts falsch verstanden wird.


    Er hat schließlich vorher schon für MJ geschrieben, arrangiert, und so weiter - er ist ja auch verdammt gut :ehre - und MJ hat ihn auch in den Credits erwähnt.


    Es hat ürbrigens noch nie jemand, der mit MJ gearbeitet hat, ihn verklagt, weil er/sie nicht in den Credits erwähnt wurde.
    Klar gab es die Plagiat-prozesse (die er gewann) aber das waren ja nur Leute die meinen, MJ die Lyrics/Noten geschickt zu haben, und dass MJ sie einfach klaute.


    Mal wieder wischie-waschie - nichts neues.

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    Originally posted by Been Told@Donnerstag, 19.1.06 - 19:16Â Uhr
    Ich frage mich, wie viel MJ damals von diesem AOL Contest wusste :lol
    Weil in der ganzen Story über den armen Kipp und so weiter, taucht MJ nur als nicht anwesender Nebendarsteller auf.


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    Ja nich Find ich jetzt total lustig zum Beispiel :rofl

  • Ist doch bislang auch alles nur Spekulation, was Friedman macht. Bislang hat den fertigen Song noch keiner gehört, und wenn er denn endlich mal rauskommt, ist es mir auch egal, welche Lyrics jetzt schlussendlich verwendet wurden.

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    Originally posted by TLC@Donnerstag, 19.1.06 - 19:31Â Uhr
    Ist doch bislang auch alles nur Spekulation, was Friedman macht. Bislang hat den fertigen Song noch keiner gehört, und wenn er denn endlich mal rauskommt, ist es mir auch egal, welche Lyrics jetzt schlussendlich verwendet wurden.

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    stimmt...
    lyrics allein machen das ding ja net aus.
    ohne michaels stimme wär das uninteresant :bätsch:D
    solangs net son fader vor-sich-hin-plätscher-song wird... is mir wurscht, wer der schreiber war ;)


  • Naja, wenn es so 'ne Allstar Single werden soll, wird man nicht viel von Michael hören.


    Hoffentlich ist sein Part möglichst groß.

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    Originally posted by TLC@Donnerstag, 19.1.06 - 19:42Â Uhr
    Naja, wenn es so 'ne Allstar Single werden soll, wird man nicht viel von Michael hören.


    Hoffentlich ist sein Part möglichst groß.

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    das hoffe ich :top
    damit man neugierig auf mehr wird...damit man mal wieder was positives hört über seine arbeit :sad

  • die graben nur olle sachen wieder aus...... passt den tabloids und Roger ganz gut, dass der titel damals den gleichen hatte wie der jetzt.... abwarten.

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