Raymone Bain ....update von paul / MJNO (immer noch das leidige thema...)

  • ich weiss nicht, das passt so gar nicht zu michael ,er hat immer darauf geachtet ,dass die tickets für seine fans"available"sind und nicht in die höhe getrieben werden,da hat er sich immer drum gesorgt, also ich kann mir das alles nicht vorstellen...das ist nicht michael, da hat jemand anders seine finger mit im spiel....

  • ich weiss nicht, das passt so gar nicht zu michael


    So sehe ich das auch. Dieses Event hat mir vom ersten mal als ich davon hörte, nicht gefallen. Und ich hoffe, es findet nicht statt.
    Das ist eine einzige Abzocke und Michael's Image leidet ebenfalls darunter. Ich bin sicher, es gibt eine würdevollere Art, Geld in die Kasse zu bringen, wenn es sein muss.


    Aber wer weiß schon genau, was da genau läuft...

  • someone just emailed me this correspondance a few minutes ago..... I am posting it here because they have requested that I post it on their behalf. (the fan wants to keep their identity hidden as you can understand)


    Please note: I'm posting this on behalf of the fan who corresponded with Ms Bain. This of course is not my correspondance and i'm not posting it here on behalf of MJJForum because it does not represent our beliefs....


    This has been posted on all fan forums......I find the info about Frank, Wi.liam and Kerry to be very interesting....



    QUOTE
    Here is the email


    "-----Original Message-----
    From: xxxxxxx@aol.com
    To: XXXXXXXX@aol.com
    Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11.55PM
    Subject: Please read ENTIRE email"


    Dear Ms. Bain


    On the fan underground its saying that you have said its not true regarding Frank Dileo being asked back by Michael. We know that is not true. We know you called him and told him that Michael wanted him back. In fact, everyone who saw this “denial” comment from yourself know that your lying about it.


    You must think we’re stupid.. You must think we don’t have a clue what is going on, well your wrong. We know exactly what’s going on.


    We know Frank is not the only one being blocked by you and Grace. We know that Michael’s family are not able to be put through to him and neither you or Grace forward the messages on to Michael.


    We know that Friends are being blocked by yourself and Grace. We know that you wont allow business people into Michael’s life that don’t like you or Grace because your both frightened that they might influence him to fire both of you.


    We know that you and Grace lie to Michael’s face about a large majority of things. We know that Michael WOULD NOT be doing this Japan fiasco if he knew the truth about it.


    Are you aware that fans have heard that Broderick Morris is a dishonest man? Oh yeah… Course you did, silly me, everyone has emailed you about it but in typical Bain style you ignored it and swept that right under the rug… Must be getting pretty lumpy under that rug of yours.


    Do you have ANY idea how pathetic yours and Grace’s business decisions are making Michael look? We know Will.I.am is not going to be working with Michael and is upset that he was used for a “Fluff” piece on Access Hollywood.


    We know that Michael is easily manipulated by those around him, and he clearly has not escaped you two either. I remember an article a while back that you were interviewed in. You stated that you were by Michael’s side on Verdict day… You were NOT there, we KNOW that, and pictures show that, you were fired by Michael personally too. But your back, and we know its Grace that got you back. Your willing to report to Grace so she got you back because of that.


    Did you know that this Japanese dinner looks desperate, and because of yours and Grace lack of advice to Michael he is now getting bad press in the only place has NEVER EVER gotten it before? Yup you knew that too didn’t you?


    Michael went through hell and back with his trial and previous allegation and not once did he get bad press in Japan. Did you know that this event is the first time the Japanese press have said a bad word about him? Oh yeah... You did know that, silly me, fans emailed you about that too and you YET again ignored them.


    The World Music Awards is a prime example of how badly both of you do your jobs. Yours and Grace’s unprofessional and questionable work ethics left Michael looking like a fool.


    The fans are sick and tired of both of you. The family are upset that they cant speak to their Son/Brother/Uncle because of yours and Grace’s lack of morals. Michael is going to have no career if you two carry on with what your doing and will soon be opening themeparks and become a pathetic looking public speaker because no one wants to work with him because of the crap organisational skills you two women both have.


    How dare you not go back to Michael and tell him that Frank Dileo said he would come back and work for Michael. He ASKED for Frank back. Michael has complained that he was told that Frank wasn’t available. That is NOT true. Frank IS available and said yes and you damn well know that, and your both helping put Michael’s career on a backburner because your both afraid of losing your jobs? What kind of people are you? Grace likes to portray herself as a religious upstanding respectful woman, but fans have said she has been nothing short of manipulative, ugly, disgusting and rude to the them and people who have fleetingly been allowed into his life for a nano second. Not to mention that the last security guard who actually cared about Michael (Kerry) left because of Grace. We know that Grace wants Michael to have no fans left and to think that he has nothing left to sing for so she can go live a happy little life with him, so what your both doing is just her little plan being put into action.


    How dare you two women decide who he can and cant speak to. His family are more important than you, but his mother is entitled to have direct access to her son, if she wants to speak to him YOU put her through, don’t forward the call to Grace. Grace has no right to decide if Michael can speak with his own mother. I cannot imagine how much crap Grace and yourself has filled Michael’s mind with regarding his family.


    I imagine your both working flat out to turn him against just about everyone he once held so dear to his heart so that eventually Michael himself will want to avoid those people, assuming that hasn’t started already.


    Both of your reputations are not exactly intact and I can see why. I wonder why yourself and Janet Jackson parted ways during the promotion of The Velvet Rope.


    FIVE European Fan clubs are folding because they have nothing to be motivated by.


    Michael has a world wide fan base, consisting of millions of people, EVERYONE on planet earth is a fan of Michael’s music, maybe not the man but definitely the music and because of yours and Grace’s less than impressive managerial skills your depriving everyone of the music… Not to mention depriving Michael of his creativity and not giving him a reason to be motivated.


    The fans are fed up and tired of your BS. Katrina single this, Katrina single that. Please!
    Everyone, I mean EVERYONE saw from the outset that this song was not going to go anywhere. And he got the blame for it, when the blame really is on your terrible work ethics and Grace for being such a *$%# wet blanket and babying him to the point where she was telling him to go to bed when he was being motivated to go to a studio and work on the damn song.


    Japan ticket prices are being blamed on Michael, everyone can see that. He NEVER sets the ticket prices, I’ve met Michael many MANY times, and never paid once for that, and one of those occasions I stood in the street for 2 hours with him again, totally free. Michael has always been unimpressed when ticket prices have been above a certain level this Japan trip is a prime example of why he clearly has no knowledge of the prices.


    Did you know that during all his tours he had someone employed to look at the average earning of the General Public in each country so that ticket prices for his fans were affordable? Did you know that Michael threw a fit at Madison Square Garden’s when he knew that some fans were being ripped off to the tune of over $1000 for a seat at the show? Did you know that for a 2 and a half hour LIVE concert in Tokyo and Yokahama in 1996 and 1997 cost only $77? Now to shake his hand its minimum $1700. Do you not see what’s wrong with that? Actually, I’m sure you both see what’s wrong with that but I’m sure your both getting a nice slice of the proceeds so your just going to ignore it…. How professional of you both.


    I hope you and Grace are both happy with what your doing, and I hope you both choke on the proceeds you make from your half assed business advising you do with him. I just hope very soon that Michael opens his eyes from the drugs haze Grace has him on and can see that both your asses need to be canned and fast or he is going to be cutting the ribbon at the opening of the newest gas station in town.


    Mark my words. At some point in time, Michael will be told this, the fans will get to him, and tell him ALL of this.




    ******************************************************
    And this is her reply:


    "-----Original Message-----
    From: xxxxxxxx@aol.com
    To: xxxxxxx@aol.com
    Sent: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 3.40AM
    Subject: Re: Please read ENTIRE email


    Listen, stop sending me these ridiculous emails.


    Frankly, I do not care what you say, who you represent, who you speak
    for or what you think. It is none of my business what you think about me,
    my team or anything else.


    I am forwarding your email to my spam folder and from this moment on
    have placed a block from an email with this address.


    If you have nothing to do, spend your time annoying someone else. I'm
    too busy."


    Raymone K Bain




    und nach diesem austausch erfolgte bains statement dass japan verschoben wurde...


    also nachdenklich macht einen diese mail schon :rolleyes

  • Die Emails sind (wie immer) erfunden, kein Mensch (und vor allem kein Manager) würde einen solchen Umgangston in einer öffentlichen Email an den Tag legen.


    Wahrscheinlich ist das auf die Wut eines fanatischen Fans zurückzuführen und wie wir wissen, geht der Hass natürlich gerne auf Leute von denen man sich ein falsches Urteil bildet, da man in ihnen den Verantwortlichen sucht ohne Genaueres zu wissen.


    Die Email, die er geschickt hat, ist bestimmt so eingegangen.
    Aber die obige Antwort gab es nie.
    Die professionelle Antwort wäre nämlich: Keine Antwort.


    Und auch eine Raymone K. Bain, die in letzter Zeit gerne als Ziel für Hassattacken seitens frustrierter Fans herhalten muss und von der manche sich erlauben, ein Urteil zu fällen, wird wohl kaum einen solchen groben Fehler getan haben und auf diese Email in der obigen Weise geantwortet haben.


    Außerdem stellt euch die Frage: Wer postet sowas? Und vor allem: WARUM?
    Nun, da sucht jemand verzweifelt ein paar Mitstreiter in der Online-Forencommunity um gemeinsam ihren Frust aufgrund jüngster Ereignisse öffentlich zu machen.


    Es ist heute anscheinend "normal", dass sogenannte Insider (meist Leute, die dies nur vortäuschen um ein kleines bisschen Aufmerksamkeit zu erhalten) in den Foren alles mögliche ausplaudern. Das liegt aber auch daran, dass man durch das Zeitalter des Internets und der Online-Nachrichten und deren Verbreitung zu leichtgläubig geworden ist. Und das wird in den Foren immer wieder aufs Exempel statuiert. Es ist doch eigentlich unfassbar wie die Leute ohne mal nachzudenken, solchen Postings Glauben schenken :rolleyes


    Korgnex

  • Hm.... eigentlich wollte ich jetzt sagen, na ich weiß nicht... Mrs. Bain hat ja eh ein ganz eigenes System, wem oder was sie antwortet und wem oder was nicht. Und das folgt weder den Gesetzen der Logik noch der Wichtigkeit. Deswegen könnte ich mir an sich schon vorstellen, dass diese Antwort kam. Außerdem haben wir doch auch noch das Gesetz des: getroffene Hunde bellen/oder beißen.
    Andererseits... seit ich gewisse Leute in der Fanszene kennengelernt habe, muss ich dir irgendwie auch recht geben. Es gibt einfach ALLES.
    :rolleyes
    Wie immer - abwarten, Lebkuchen futtern und hoffen, dass Michael mit nur einem abgebissenen Ohr aus der Sache rauskommt - gut, aus allen Sachen eigentlich...

    [CENTER]
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    Die Wahrheit kämpft nicht gegen Illusionen, und Illusionen kämpfen auch nicht gegen die Wahrheit. Illusionen kämpfen nur mit sich selbst.[/CENTER]

  • Tja solche erfundenen Emails würde es verdammt nochmal net geben wenn es entlich mal ne offizielle Seite geben würde oder was weiß ich . Ich find es irgentwie net so toll das plötzlich auf irgenteinem Forum jemand der die Adresse von Baine hat ne Nachricht reinschmeißt und du kannst dann hoffen das se echt is . gefällt mir gar net :grr

  • Also ich muss schon sagen, dass diese e-Mail Dinge anspricht, die mir auch auf dem Herzen liegen.
    Natürlich wird sie nichts bewirken - egal ob darin die Wahrheit steht oder nicht.
    Und ja... Ich habe auch schon die krassesten Fans und die größten Fake-Insider in der Szene erlebt und teilweise persönlich kennengelernt.


    Aber auf Grund vieler Kleinigkeiten in dieser Email, habe ich den starken Eindruck, dass diese e-Mail nicht nur echt ist, sondern (mindestens) größtenteils auf Tatsachen basiert.
    Aber es wird sich zeigen, so oder so.
    Wäre jedenfalls endlich mal eine Erklärung, warum die Bain damals gefeuert und wieder eingestellt wurde.

  • Aber die obige Antwort gab es nie.
    Die professionelle Antwort wäre nämlich: Keine Antwort.


    Richtig - das wäre die professionelle Art. Aber die professionelle Art war nie Raymones Art. Ihre Statements sind immer mit Rechtschreibfehlern behaftet und mir kommt die Antwort-Mail typisch-Bain vor.
    T-Mez hat sie nicht umsonst damals in die Schranken verwiesen und das war ein Mann, der Michael wirklich zur Seite stand und ihn bis zum Schluss öffentlich verteidigt hat.
    Na ja, bis er auf seiner Millionen-Rechnung sitzen geblieben ist. :rolleyes


    Und was der Fan da anspricht, von wegen Tickets und so ist absolut wahr. Michael hat noch nie im Leben solch monströse Ticket-Preise verlangt. Nicht einmal zu seiner Ruhmes-Prime-Time.

  • Was in der mail drinsteht hab ich schon oft gelesen is mir nix neues . Wenn auch nur die hälfte davon stimmt ist das mehr als traurig .Auf Fan Boards liest du die Unglaublichsten sachen von sogennanten Insidern nur ab und an wird auch mal einer wirklich die Wahrheit sagen . ;)




    Für mich steht schon lang fest weg mit den Damen . Die gehören verbannt aus Mikchaels leben . Die Arbeit von Frau Baine hat bis jetzt nix eingebracht auser schlechter Presse . Und wenn jemand seiner Aufgabe net gewachsen is muss er eben gehen das is normal . Ich würd mir für Michael wünschen das er Irgentwann mal die richtigen Leute findet die ihn Weiterbringen . Baine is meiner Meinung nach gescheitert und dabei bleib ich

  • mach das :top
    zieh mal das interessanteste rüber,
    dann kann man sich den bla bla schrott sparen ;D





    Auf den ersten Seiten geht es darum das die einen sagen Lasst sie in Ruhe und die anderen Raus mit den %$&%%& :D


    Dann wird gesagt das man Michael schon bei Dieter damals warnen wollte aber keiner der Fans is durchgekommen zu ihm und das is jetzt die gleiche Diskussion wie damals .So mal fürs erste :P

  • I don't know about the allegations that have been made in that email. But there is a growing concern about Michael's current management, and it is very, very well justified.


    Fallen*Immortal: Just because you don't want something to be true, doesn't mean it isn't. I can't speak on the majority of that email, but what happened with our party is not speculation.


    1,000 fans were disappointed, we lost so much money, and all as a direct result of Michael's incompetent management. Since, we haven't received even an inkling of a sorry, or a thank-you, and Raymone (who does run the show) has not even attempted to sort this out.


    This Japan thing is completely ridiculous. $130 for tickets? And this is a "fan appreciation day"? We charged just £15 ($25) for tickets to our party, and how could we do that - because our profit margin was around about 0%.


    If anything, this party, that they are holding, is taking grave advantage of the fans, and I do not believe for a moment that Michael is fully aware of these proceedings.


    The email makes an interesting point. It states that five clubs have folded, for lack of motivation under this management. I can speak only for myself, and will say that a major reason in my leaving MJNO was indeed complete and utter lack of motivation, the feeling of being slapped in the face after trying to accomplish something good for the fans, good for Michael, by Michael's very own team.


    This is how Michael's fanclubs have been treated. I can't do it anymore, Trish of MJJF cannot do it anymore. And considering all the time, effort and dedication we've put into our respective clubs, such harsh decisions were not easy to come by. They're the result of so much neglect, and disrespect - it's not right.


    This is not the way Michael's own management should be treating his fanclubs. And as for Michael's own projects, well...almost every single one of them has fell through.


    Our party was going to lift everyones spirits, including Michael's. We got it together, and they didn't. They have not tried to rectify the situation, because they (Raymone's team) evidently do not give a damn about the fans. It sucks, but it is the truth - no use in denying that.Paul from MJNO



    QUOTE
    Things will look up for Michael, I feel that is only inevitable. There will always be ups and downs.


    Michael does want to do an album. When he starts seriously pursuing that, everyone will be out; because this management can't so much as get arrangements for a fan party sorted, let alone produce the next album of the greatest entertainer of all time.


    I can't speak of DiLeo like I know all about him, and what he can do for Michael, etc. - I am not an expert on such matters, I think few of us are. But, under Frank's management, a lot got done.


    Michael is simply unaware of the situation. He does not know how bad his team has been screwing with his fans - if he did, things would be much different. When fans asked Michael of our fan party, it is said that he seemed very perturbed by the fact he knew nothing of it, and upset even.


    I think Michael is probably catching on. (He must wonder why every single new project has completely fell through.)


    But we know how things are in Michael's world. People come and go, it's constantly changing. This team won't be around forever. I don't see Michael as sticking with them much into the next year.


    Michael has had great management, and terrible management - both are invetiabilites. But the point is, when Michael says "I want to get this album done", well that's it.


    I don't think Michael is actively working on producing this new album at this time. I really do think he's just enjoying life, and is simply comfortable under this new management, and he's unaware of their level of competence...that is, unless he reads the newspapers.


    Another take from Paul



    KOP

  • im malibu wird auch schon heftig drüber diskutiert, ich hatte die mail gepostet ,weil sie mir zugeschickt wurde von jemandem der sie ausm mjjforum hat
    und ich muss sagen ,dass vieles unterschwellig bekannt war und da so oder so was ganz dringend schief läuft und sich auch manche weigern, der grausamen wahrheit ins gesicht zu sehen ,ich weiss nur eins, diese frau tut michael nicht gut, man muss sich doch nur den verlauf der letzten 3 jahre anschauen...
    natürlich können wir letzten endes nicht wirklich feststellen, was wahr oder gefaked ist ,aber man sollte sich nicht die rosa rote brille aufstezen und alles als unwahr abstempeln...

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