Telefongespräch zwischen Michael Jackson & einer Frau [Full 40 Min Audio]

    also diese spotted dick sache... ich hab ja nun auch diese phonecalls schon seit einer kleinen weile. :P
    nur bei mir unterhalten sich glenda und michael über "pastries" die er in england oder wo gegessen hat... ich hab mal versucht, das ein bisschen abzuschreiben...


    mj: ... i didn't taste it. actually when i heard it (--)... they bring this pastry out [in london??] ... spotted dick. uh uh... *lacht*
    glenda: sounds terrible.
    mj: (englischer akzent und höhere stimme - als wenn es ihm jemand anbieten wollte): would you like a spotted dick? normale stimme: sounds interesting... i don't think so... my commercial is running...


    denke eher nicht, dass er das auf sich selbst bezogen hat. *gg*


    die kompletten glenda transcripts gibts beim kop-board! ;)

    He's not an artist, he's a fucking work of art...



    I love you more, Mike!

    das teil dauert irrsinnig lange... puh... ich hab nur einen teil downgeloaded, weil's mir zu mühsam war, mir das alles anzuhören... ich poste hier mal einige teile der transcripts. quelle ist kop-board, und der user, der sich die ganze arbeit angetan hat, heißt nessa.


    1-1



    Glenda: Sounds terrible! (laughs)


    Michael (in a British accent): Would you like a spotted dick?


    Glenda: That's so funny! (both laughing)


    Michael: Would you like a spotted dick?


    Glenda: Sounds interesting!


    Michael: I don't think so!





    1-2



    Michael: Joseph used to beat us all the time and... (inaudible).... He would, he would just (inaudible)... And I bought into that, he was like, "Oh you put on a few pounds." The only thing that I could control in my life, what with Motown... 'cause they tell you- when we used to go on Carson or Mike Douglas or whatever back then, when we used to do interviews as the Jackson Five, you know when you're in this kind of thing they (inaudible few seconds).... "Do you have a girlfriend?" "No." (Inaudible) You know, they dictate to you everything. What you wear, what you sing. 'Cause back then we weren't allowed to sing our own stuff. They dictate to you what you can wear... If you're on an interview, if you're going on Carson, "This is what you say, this is what don't say." The only control I had over my life was eating. I had no control. We had no control. *clears throat* I didn't, I didn't... I wasn't like my brothers. People, they're angry and they take it out on others. I was angry, but I took it out on myself. (Inaudible, something about Joseph again), when we were rehearsing on 2300- where we used to live. If I danced wrong, if I sang the wrong word, I'd get the hell beat out of me, I'd get thrown in the basement. But instead of taking that out on other people, I withdrew and I'd take it out on myself. There was nothing I could control in my life but my eating. And Joseph told me, "Oh, you're so black, you have such a big nose."


    Glenda: He told you you were black?


    Michael: Yeah. When I was little. "You look so black, you don't look like my child. Your nose is so big" and this and that. They used to call me Big Nose and stuff. And instead of retaliating on them, I just did it with myself.






    1-3




    Michael: God, I'd fight Joseph back and I would get my @ss beat. Then I used to run and I threw a shirt (inaudible)


    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: And he'd knock me down on the floor, 'cause we were rehearsing in our living room (inaudible). He'd knock the [piss] outta me. And we were supposed to perform somewhere the next day. And he knocked me down so hard, I [knocked] my rib. And I was little...


    Glenda: Mhm.


    Michael: So I got up, I was so serious [furious?]. They talk about me being conceited, you know?


    Glenda: Mhm.


    Michael: I got up, and I was crying and stuff. And I said, "Joseph, if you hit me again, I'm not performing!"


    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: He's like, "What the @#$% did you say?"


    Glenda: (gasps)


    Michael: I'm like, "You hit me again, Joseph"- I couldn't, I wasn't even nine years old (inaudible). I said, "Joseph, if you hit me again"- and I was crying my eyes out- I said, "If you hit me again, I am NOT performing."


    Glenda: (sympathetic sigh)


    Michael: And he left me alone.


    Glenda: (laugh)


    Michael: I said, "I'm not doin' the show!" He said, "Don't you know I will kick your (inaudible)." And I got up (inaudible) and I said, "You hit me again and I won't perform." And he knew I was the star performer...


    Glenda: Haha, yeah, really??


    Michael: And he didn't hit me.


    Glenda: Well, you had some leverage there. (laughs)


    Michael: My brothers used to say, "Mike, you crazy, man, you crazy." And then when I would go to sleep at night, he would always scare us. He would be banging on the windows and stuff, and open the windows and poke in his head.


    Glenda: That's horrible. That's awful-


    Michael: Well you read that (inaudible) book, you read it.


    Glenda: Oh, I don't- It's been a while since I read that book, I don't remember everything.


    Michael: Yeah... he used to scare us in the middle of the night. We would be sleeping, and we had to get up early in the morning, we had to have rehearsal, get going, (inaudible)


    Glenda: God.


    Michael: And he'd bang on the windows and we'd look out the windows and he had a monster mask on.


    Glenda: (gasps)


    Michael: (inaudible, he may have been imitating scared whining)


    Glenda: How horrible.


    Michael: And we'd get in trouble for crying.







    1-4



    Glenda: Hello?


    Michael: Hey!


    Glenda: Hey.


    Michael: How you doing?


    Glenda: Fine, how are you?


    Michael: [Oh, I'm doing very good.]


    Glenda: You sound real good.


    Michael: Yeah. I'm [We're?] having a great time.


    Glenda: That's wonderful. I bet you're excited, huh?


    Michael: Yeah I (inaudible) [like the show?]


    Michael or Glenda: (some sort of yelp)


    Glenda: Are you all ready?


    Michael: Yeah. I know, you know, I know it's gonna be (inaudible)


    Glenda: I can't even imagine the excitement you must be feeling.


    Michael: Yeah, I'm, you know, I'm still on American time.


    Glenda: Yeah?


    Michael: (Inaudible), we had soundchecks today. (Inaudible)


    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: How was your trip?


    Glenda: Oh it was just fine, it was very nice. So you, um- how long will the show be, how long does it last?


    Michael: Tonight?


    Glenda: Yeah.


    Michael: Well, a couple hours, you know (Inaudible). It's gonna have pyrotechnics and it's gonna have... it's gonna have a lot of, you know, stuff like that 'cause I looove that kind of stuff. And it's gonna have a (inaudible)


    Glenda: (chuckling while he talks)


    Michael: I love it, I never wanna come home.


    Glenda: (chuckle)


    Michael: And you know I'm gonna (inaudible). Oh God, I love it! I love this. Yeah.


    Glenda: That's wonderful.


    Michael: (inaudible)


    Glenda: I can hear (inaudible- "a new voice"?)


    Michael: (inaudible) and I'm doing my vocal exercises. (inaudible)


    Glenda: Is your voice in top form?


    Michael: Yeah!


    Glenda: (clears throat) Are you feeling okay?


    Michael: I'm doing great. [I'm wonderful.] You know, I was kinda (inaudible) [in Mexico], but now that I'm here (inaudible).


    Glenda: (laughter)


    Michael: (Inaudible) I was (inaudbile) to this hospital, and we (inaudible). I been back and forth already [to Germany?] And we, um, were on a helicopter ride and it's beautiful. (Inaudible bits- comments about "a lot of green" and more "beautiful"). And it was called


    ******This next part I didn't even get the gist of. It seems like he was trying to pronounce something and she just giggled at him.******


    Michael: Sheee..sjdskdjaskj.. wooonnnn.... sheee... cheeee (trying to pronounce it, haha!)


    Glenda: Yeah... Yeah.


    Michael: And, and... yeah.


    Michael and Glenda: (chuckle)


    Michael: And King (inaudible) used to rule there. (Inaudible, Glenda seems to be touching or handling the receiver in a way that drowns him out). They say he was-


    Glenda: Hold on. Hey! Go ahead. '


    Michael: (mumble)


    Glenda: (inaudible- Sounds almost like "Kevin found out"? Who's "Kevin?")


    Michael: What?


    Glenda: (Whispers the inaudible phrase) He wants to say hello to you. (Inaudible). Is that alright?


    Michael: Yeah!


    Glenda: (mumble)


    Michael: How you do that?


    Michael or Glenda's end: I been up since (inaudible), what are you talking about?


    Glenda: (After a long silence, whispering) You can keep talking, he won't hear you.


    Michael: Oh. (Inaudible- something about going to Cologne? Brussels? And Munich? I might be dead wrong.)


    Glenda: Really?


    Michael: We're gonna go to the zoo in (inaudible). And we're gonna go to the (inaudible). And I would hope, I don't know, but (inaudible).


    Glenda: (laugh)


    Michael: (presumably to someone in the background) I [grew/knew/threw/something ending with '-ew'] it, I really did!


    Glenda: Hello?


    Michael: Hi.


    Glenda: Hi.


    **********This part was hard, too. He says something in a foreign language, she says "I don't know what that means" and he explains it. She asks again, he explains again. Then he says something. She gasps, "No!" and he says, "Yeah, it's really weird. Yeah, but in Germany it's different."**********


    Glenda: When we lived in South Africa (inaudible seconds) when we came back we were ahead of everybody. They caught up like three years later.


    Michael: Isn't that weird?


    Glenda: Yeah, it was! (chuckle) It was weird.


    ************Inaudible, giggling***************


    Michael: Did you see the card that I sent (inaudible, might have been "you" or "him")?


    Glenda: Yes, I did. It was very sweet. He liked it.


    Michael: (Inaudible)


    Glenda: Well yeah, you haven't talked to him in ages. He's been gone a lot, though. He's (inaudible).


    Michael: I love (inaudible).


    Glenda: Mm? You know what's really weird?


    Michael: (Inaudible)


    Glenda: Okay.


    Michael: Today and yesterday, like on the top of your head, like on the right side, a really sharp pain (inaudible). And it was a really, really sharp pain.


    Glenda: Have you ever had those before?


    Michael: No. No, I haven't... I mean, I had them earlier, and I (inaudible).


    Glenda: Maybe you're just (inaudible- they exhange a few more unclear words).


    Michael: But they won't go away. And they're real sharp pains, just like on the very top of my head on the right side.


    Glenda: Oh.


    Glenda and Michael: (Inaudible)


    Glenda: Are you taking your medicine?


    Michael: Yeah.


    Glenda: Are you eating?


    Michael: ...Yeah.


    Glenda: (laugh)


    Michael: We have this thing (inaudible). I didn't, I didn't taste it- EAGHH. Actually, when I heard about it (inaudible). Did you see the movie King [Ralph (I'm almost certain of this one)]?


    Glenda: No.


    Michael: (Inaudible: throws out "London" and "pastry") .....Spotted Dick.


    Michael and Glenda: (both laughing)


    Michael: It looks good.


    *************1-1, I realized, was an excerpt of this conversation****************


    Glenda: Sounds terrible! (laughs)


    Michael (in a British accent): Would you like a spotted dick?


    Glenda: That's so funny! (both laughing)


    Michael: Would you like a spotted dick?


    Glenda: Sounds interesting!


    Michael: I don't think so!


    Glenda: (laugh)


    Michael: My commercial's running on.


    Glenda: What commercial?


    Michael: (inaudible)


    Glenda: Is it?


    Michael: Yeah.


    Glenda: I've never seen it, is it here?


    Michael: Oh no, you don't see it there.


    Glenda: Why?


    Michael: (Inaudible)


    Glenda: (laugh) Whyyy?


    Michael: Did (inaudible)?


    Glenda: Yeah.


    Michael: (Inaudible) I'm not really (inaudible), because of the fact that (inaudible).


    Glenda: Well, I guess not. [The country just isn't, so much?]


    Michael: Well, you know. (Fuzzy, sounds like "There's not very many black people" somewhere.]


    Glenda: [There's not?]


    Michael: No.


    Glenda: You know, the German women really like black men.


    Michael: Yeah, so do the women over, um, in (inaudible- I can't figure it out for the life of me).


    Glenda: Is there?


    Michael: Black men (inaudible) to be there. [They (inaudible- it's either 'don't' or 'really', quite a difference) appreciate black men.


    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: Yeah, but they, they really like the black men.


    Glenda: (giggle)


    Michael: (Inaudible for about 5-10 seconds) So green, and so brilliant, and so beautiful. It's brilliant.
    Glenda: It sounds lovely.


    Michael: I guess I (inaudible).


    Glenda: Really?


    Michael: I guess I have a lot more (inaudible).


    Glenda: I guess. Well, how long will you be there?


    Michael: (No idea)


    Glenda: (No idea)


    Michael: (No idea!)


    Glenda: Okay.









    2-1



    Glenda: Because I didn't know what I had done.


    Michael: [She was just (inaudible)]


    Glenda: Angry at me.


    Michael: Oh.


    Glenda: Because I didn't know what I had done and I was just [staring at] her, I was (inaudible), without emotion because she was getting angry... and getting my face, and I was thinking, "I am not going to let you know how much you are hurting me right now." So, "I'm not going to show you an emotion, I'm not going to show you what you're doing to me, [I'm not gonna cry]." And so after she would leave, and then I would go (inaudible), and then I would have a reaction. (Inaudible) analyze why I don't react. And I think that's the reason, because I learned a long time ago- Don't. Show. Reaction.


    Michael: Don't show emotions and don't show feelings.


    Glenda: Right. Don't let that person see your reaction. Don't let that person see your emotions, see what they're doing to you, analyzing (inaudible). (sound in the background) (laughs)


    Michael: (After a silence) Hello?


    Glenda: [Oh, I was thinking], oh, 'cause I was thinking of (inaudible- Rob/Bob/etc?). Remember when, um, (inaudible, something about "cry")?


    Michael: Mmm.


    Glenda: I think it was you [crying], [it sounded like you] were crying on the phone, um, 'cause you didn't want me to read that book that Taraborelli had written.


    Michael: Yeah.


    Glenda: (inaudible) you didn't want me to read it. (inaudible) called up and you were all upset because (inaudible) read it.


    Michael: Right.


    Glenda: So you were just waiting to get to know me better before you [let] me read that book?


    Michael: (Silence) I didn't think you would understand me and I (inaudible).


    Glenda: Really?


    Michael: And...then I got to know you better. (Inaudible).


    Glenda: (Inaudible).


    Michael: [That's what it was] like. We just go to know each other. You know. And, uh, I didn't want you to listen to [that]. And [I thought that] (inaudible) was real close (inaudible), that close. And I didn't wanna lose that. I didn't want you to misunderstand [the book]. (Inaudible seconds) it's okay.


    Glenda: And that's why you (inaudible) read the book?


    Michael: Yeah. (Inaudible) A lot of things have happened [to me]. [Well, see], I mean, you don't understand, you can't empathize because you haven't been there.


    Glenda: [Yeah], that's true.


    Michael: Like, like, I mean, we could go over this for days and it's not even done.


    Glenda: I just wanted you to know that, um... I sense(d) your loneliness [and sensitivity] and the fact that [he], like, didn't want anything (inaudible), [just wasn't possible].


    Michael: (Inaudible) accepted me (inaudible- a brief jump in the audio made this hard to discern). When I was a child I wasn't allowed to (inaudible).


    Glenda: Why weren't you?


    Michael: Well, you read that (inaudible), in Taraborelli's book. We, we couldn't have [a] social life with other children.



    ********Audio jumps a couple more times, presumably ommitted parts of the conversation.*********



    Michael: Tell me, which (inaudible) sounds like a (inaudible), [Remember the Time] (inaudible). Which one you like [the best]?


    Glenda: (Inaudible) [the other night].


    Michael: Which one?


    Glenda: Huh?


    Michael: Which one?


    Glenda: Which one?


    Michael: Yeah.


    Glenda: I like Remember the Time (inaudible).


    Michael: You like Remember the Time [with] (may have been Eddie Murphy). (Laughs)


    Glenda: Yeah. Which one do you like?


    Michael: I like Remember the Time. I like Jam- it was real fun doing it with Michael. [But] I like Remember the Time. [Ah, but] I had the most fun doing Jam, out of all of my other ones.


    Glenda: You look like you were having fun!


    Michael: Yeah, I had fun with Naomi, but... [I, I hate doing that] (laughs)


    Glenda: (laughs) What?


    Michael: She's a sweetheart, she's a (inaudible). But I had the most fun when we were in Chicago and, um, doing Jam. I had fun... [doing Jam].


    Glenda: Yeah, haha.


    Michael: (chuckles)


    Glenda: I like the way, at the end when you get down on the floor, you're trying to move his feet.


    Michael: (Laughs)


    Glenda: (giggles)


    Michael: Oh, god, you didn't see the making of that.


    Glenda: Uh uh.


    Michael: It was so funny because I was on the floor, right?


    Glenda: Uh-huh.


    Michael: And he put [the basketball?] my head and he held me down on the floor.


    Glenda: No!


    Michael and Glenda: (both laughing)


    Michael: He's so big! Compared to me.


    Glenda: 'Cause you're so small.


    Michael: What?


    Glenda: 'Cause you're so small.


    Michael: I know! And it was so funny because I was down on the floor in the video, the actual video, and, uh, I was trying to make him move his feet. God, he was, like, so stiff!


    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: He was (in a deeper voice), "Yeah, yeah. That's it, yeah."


    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: Hold on one second, please... 'Kay?


    Glenda: Okay. What else did Heavy D sing?


    Michael: Heavy D did um, (inaudible). (Inaudible) yeah, Heavy D did Overweight Lovers. (Inaudible)


    Glenda: Oh, is he in the video?


    Michael: Yeah.


    Glenda: (Inaudible) is it?


    Michael: Yeah, yeah.


    Glenda: Oh, really??


    Michael: (in a low voice) Heavy D the Overweight Lovaaa!


    Glenda: Awww, I [don't/do/so] remember that!


    Michael: Yeah. I like Heavy D.


    Glenda: (some sort of whimper?)


    Michael: And, uh, he worked with Teddy Riley. You know, Teddy Riley, that guy. [He, he goes], "First I cooled it like a fan. Got with Janet, then with guy, then with Michael 'cause it ain't too hard for me to jam."


    *********Conversation cut again.**********


    Michael: I take them off [my face], I wave to the girls in the balcony and say "This is for the girls in the balcony." (Inaudible) I take them off and then I put 'em back on. [That was hard.] I didn't wanna do it.


    Glenda: (Inaudible) wearing sunglasses all the time?


    Michael: I wore shades for years, you know. I wear shades because... Like, like (inaudible) said, and it's true, your eyes are [like a window to your soul]. I didn't want anyone to look into my soul. You know, I didn't want anybody to [see my soul]. (Inaudible) a lot of pain and (inaudible) very scared.


    Glenda: (Inaudible- "don't look solemn".)


    Michael: I really don't (inaudible)?


    Glenda. No. You don't.


    Michael: Take a look at those eyes.


    Glenda: (Mumble- "hiding the world from your face".)


    Michael: (Inaudible)


    Glenda: What does that mean?


    Michael: That was if like, if someone, if like.... (silence) If like you see someone's eyes, or you draw a painting on the draw. It's like... did you ever see me on the cover of Bad?


    Glenda: Are you asking me if I saw the cover of Bad?


    Michael: Yeah.


    Glenda: Yeah!


    Michael: I had light contacts on and that was all airbrushed. When you see me on Dangerous- that's all airbrush. That's an airbrushing.


    Glenda: Your eyes?


    Michael: Yeah. I do not look that perfect.


    Glenda: (sort of chuckles) Okay... (laughs) (Inaudible comment).


    Michael: It's airbrushing.


    Glenda: Oh, okay. Is there a reason why you just shade your eyes (inaudible)?


    Michael: Because they're supposed to be like a [vision] into my soul. (Inaudible) into my soul.


    Glenda: What?


    Michael: That was airbrushed.


    Glenda: Okay.


    Michael: I'll tell you honestly what Elizabeth and I talk about sometimes. She got so... effed up (inaudible) from being a child star. And I was so screwed up (inaudible). (Inaudible- "dead"?) eyes.


    Glenda: (Inaudible) eyes?


    Michael: (Inaudible) look like my eyes. Those have been airbrushed. I mean, when you see someone on the cover of a magazine, or Vogue, or Rolling Stone, (inaudible), it's airbrush you know? You wanna look perfect.


    Glenda: (Inaudible- something about the cover of Vogue again.)


    Michael: Oh, sure it does. Of course.


    Glenda: (chuckle)


    Michael: But it's like, if (inaudible- something about a "Jim or somebody like that"). They'll say, "You're gonna be on the cover of um, Rolling Stone, or something like that." You'll look perfect. No matter what you have wrong with you.


    Glenda: Yeah.


    Michael: That's how it is in the business. You gotta look perfect.


    Glenda: Well you do look perfect in that one picture on the cover of Rolling Stone where you've got your hair up and you're looking down. That's a great picture. (Inaudible) you don't look at the camera.


    Michael: Because I don't want to. (Inaudible) I say on the Dangerous album, you know, a lot of things that-


    **********Audio cut off.***********






    2-2



    Michael: [That] I'm lonely and stuff. I say that on a lot of songs.


    Glenda: You say that in um in [that one good song] um, Who Is It.


    Michael: [Don't you know that I'm lonely?] (Inaudible)


    Glenda: Yeah.


    Michael: I say that in a lot of songs. (Inaudible) like Will You Be There.


    Glenda: (Inaudible) say "don't be judging".


    Michael: I say what?


    Glenda: "Don't be judging" (inaudible) in Who Is It.


    Michael: [No/Oh. Don't be, don't be, don't be judging me.] You know I thought when I first started talking to you (inaudible).


    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: I thought, my god, she understands me. I mean, she hasn't been through what I been through. I mean, she has, but... She doesn't (inaudible). There is no judgement there.


    Glenda: Well, I thought you were drawn to me because, um, you were like (inaudible).


    Michael: I was drawn to you because you were very accepting. You were accepting. (inaudible-whispering)


    Glenda: What is that?


    Michael: (inaudible-whispering)


    Glenda: Intri...?


    Michael: (inaudible-whispering)


    Glenda: En... eccentric?


    Michael: (inaudible- whispering a bit louder, sounds like "eccentric")


    Glenda: What??


    Michael: (Whispers word again)?


    Glenda: I don't even know that word!


    Michael: (Inaudible) Like I said. (inaudible-"money") If you have money, you're called ("eccentric" word again). If...



    Glenda: (laughs)


    Michael: You know, you just accepted me no matter what.


    Glenda: I did! And I do! I still do.


    ************Audio cut off.************


    Michael: The other day, after my video ['came on' or 'I came home'].... I don't know what happened. They couldn't get me out of the trailer with my own band and stuff. And I'm on tour and stuff. Travelling with my (Inaudible), stuff like that. And... (inaudible) I don't associate with them. [It's at] rehearsal, or I have to be on stage. Or back in the hotel room. I don't associate, really, with those people.


    Glenda: What, any of them?


    Michael: No, I don't associate with them. I [stay off to] myself.


    Glenda: Why? (Inaudible- might be something about "feeling accepted")?


    Michael: I don't. I feel uncomfortable- I go, "Okay, this is my band, we got Michael here, we got so-and-so."


    Glenda: (Started, interrupted by Michael)


    Michael: We got Sheryll, we got, you know, Jennifer. And, I just don't associate with people.


    Glenda: Do you, um? Okay. Is it hard for you to (sigh) to be (inaudible)?


    Michael: I just-


    Glenda: If I (inaudible) looking someone in face, or having someone look at you in the face 'cause you don't listen to-


    Michael: You know what, I don't want them to get close, I don't want them to (inaudible- very low speaking). (Inaudible) [scared with the whole] anorexia thing. I feel bad...


    Glenda: Don't, Michael. You look really good. (Silence) You look really good.


    Michael: (After a silence- very low, strained) I don't look good. (Inaudible)


    Glenda: (Inaudible)



    **********Realized part 1-2 was an excerpt from this.**********


    Michael: Joseph used to beat us all the time and... (inaudible).... He would, he would just (inaudible)... And I bought into that, he was like, "Oh you put on a few pounds." The only thing that I could control in my life, what with Motown... 'cause they tell you- when we used to go on Carson or Mike Douglas or whatever back then, when we used to do interviews as the Jackson Five, you know when you're in this kind of thing they (inaudible few seconds).... "Do you have a girlfriend?" "No." (Inaudible) You know, they dictate to you everything. What you wear, what you sing. 'Cause back then we weren't allowed to sing our own stuff. They dictate to you what you can wear... If you're on an interview, if you're going on Carson, "This is what you say, this is what don't say." The only control I had over my life was eating. I had no control. We had no control. *clears throat* I didn't, I didn't... I wasn't like my brothers. People, they're angry and they take it out on others. I was angry, but I took it out on myself. (Inaudible, something about Joseph again), when we were rehearsing on 2300- where we used to live. If I danced wrong, if I sang the wrong word, I'd get the hell beat out of me, I'd get thrown in the basement. But instead of taking that out on other people, I withdrew and I'd take it out on myself. There was nothing I could control in my life but my eating. And Joseph told me, "Oh, you're so black, you have such a big nose."


    Glenda: He told you you were black?


    Michael: Yeah. When I was little. "You look so black, you don't look like my child. Your nose is so big" and this and that. They used to call me Big Nose and stuff. And instead of retaliating on them, I just did it with myself.


    Glenda: Are you happy with (inaudible)?


    Michael: Yeah. I'm happy with my face and stuff.


    Glenda: Are you happy with (inaudible)?


    Michael: Yeah. Because I don't wanna look like [a girl?].


    Glenda: Oh, you don't? (laughs)


    Michael: I mean, people tell me, "Oh, yeah, you're really Janet". Or "Oh, (low voice) before LaToya posed nude." Sayin' you're the same person and stuff.


    Glenda: Who said that? (laughs)


    Michael: Oh, god, everyone in the media!


    Glenda: (Inaudible)


    Michael: Toya even wrote that in Playboy. She said, "Well, at least I can put the rumor to rest that Michael and I are the same person."


    Glenda: (Laughs)


    Michael: And showin' her breasts and stuff like that. Then they say, "Janet and Michael are the same person."


    Glenda: (chuckle) That's crazy.



    quelle: nessa, kop-board

    He's not an artist, he's a fucking work of art...



    I love you more, Mike!

    :umfall
    hab jetzt erstmal nur nen teil gelesen...:fear und muss das erst verdauen.
    was immer auch manche nun dazu sagen - das ist krank, so krank, was da mit den kindern, vor allem mit michael, gemacht wurde. das ist widerlich, abartig, das ist kriminell und absolut psychopathisch. sorry, aber wenn das auch nur ansatzweise stimmt, was man da rausliest...dann wäre mikes vater ein fall für den psychiater und die polizei gewesen.
    all das wissend und in kauf nehmend...kann man kitkat nicht ausklammern. eine schande, und absolut falsch, das alles über jahre und jahrzehnte mitzumachen.
    alles schönreden JETZT in büchern, interviews etc... das alles wirkt so jämmerlich, wenn man sich diese ganzen geschehnisse mal bildlich vorstellt. :blossnet
    ich wusste es immer, habe es nie bezweifelt, aber es bestätigt sich immer mehr, und keine 100 pferde werden mich davon abbringen - mikes 'erziehung' ist in diesem falle so gravierend falsch gelaufen, so schrecklich gewesen - da muss man sich nicht wundern, dass er sich wünschte peter pan zu sein....dass er sich später 'seine eigene welt' bastelte, damit ihn niemand mehr so verletzen kann - körperlich und seelisch.
    und doch...
    hat man es immer wieder geschafft, ihn auch da noch zu verletzen, zu kränken... und ihn krank zu machen. seelisch und körperlich.
    die rechnung ist einfach, wenn man den roten faden sieht...bei allem erfolg - sein drama, ja in gewisser weise sein 'sterben', fing mit seiner frühesten jugend an...mit dieser quälerei und schinderei, lieblosigkeit, brutalität, kälte, missachtung, beleidigungen, züchtigung, ablehnung.
    er wurde nur dann 'in ruhe gelassen' wenn er funktionierte, wie ein roboter,
    wenn er der 'star' war, der topleistung zeigt. sobald die kleinste schwäche zutage trat, wurde er fertig gemacht - als kind, wie als erwachsener...


    ich könnte so weiterschreiben, mir dabei die augen aus dem kopf heulen - das alles ist einfach so unglaublich, so furchtbar, dass mans kaum erträgt.
    ist mir egal, ob das jeder hier akzeptiert, jeder gut findet - aber joe ist für mich seit jahren, und wird es immer sein - die wurzel allen übels. ob er heute alt ist oder nicht - er ist kein bissle anders, in seinem herzen ist alles was er machte offensichtlich immer noch richtig. das ist abstossender, wenn ich drüber nachdenke, als das was damals alles passierte.
    wenns ihn wenigstens reuen würde, er einsehn würde, was für ein scheiss vater er war, wenn er spüren würde, wie gross SEIN anteil an michaels wirrem leben war... aber nein, nöö, alles korrekt, alles gut, alles richtig gemacht.
    uhhhh...sonst wäre mike ja nie so ein star gewesen. uhhh..
    ja und?!? selbst wenn!!! hätte er musik im blut gehabt, wäre das sein schicksal gewesen - hätte er seinen weg auch so gemacht. vielleicht langsamer, vielleicht später, vielleicht auf einer völlig anderen musikrichtung, wer weiss.
    aber dann eben ohne zwang, sondern so wie wir alle wohl uns vorstellen, dass man seine berufswahl trifft - freiwillig, weil man spass dran hat, weil man etwas gefunden hat, was man gut kann, weil man sich vorstellen kann, damit eben auch viele jahre seines lebens zu verbringen. und nicht reingeprügelt ohne rücksicht auf verluste - hauptsache es kommt kohle rein. das ist krank.
    oh mann...ich könnt mich hier in rage schreiben...und werde immer saurer, wenn ich an das gegrinse denke, wenn ich an diese verharmlosungen und leugnungen denke, und an kitkat, die nun auch noch alles schönreden will...
    ja klar, denn je schlechter joe dasteht, umso mehr schatten wirft das natürlich am ende auch auf sie.
    ich sehe - für mich - ganz genau, wieso mike joe ausklammerte aus dem testament. und wieso kitkat nur in bezug auf die kids einfluss haben sollte.
    und wieso da jahrelang wirklich nur sporadische kontakte waren.
    mike mag nach aussen gesagt haben, er hätte joe verziehen.
    sicher, man will ja auch nicht unnötig futter an die presse geben.
    aber wirklich, in seinem inneren, hat er offensichtlich schwere kämpfe ausgefochten. und all diese dinge...die kann man verdrängen, aber niemals vergessen. diese verletzungen, dauerhaft, in der eigenen familie...das macht die seele krank. das kann man nicht abhaken...das verzeiht man auch nie wirklich. man schliesst einen frieden, der oberflächlich ist, man dämmt das feuer ein...aber im grunde schwelt es weiter...und schadet weiter....weils nie verarbeitet wurde, weil mans nie wirklich rauslassen konnte, weil man weiss, dass keine echte stellungnahme von der gegenseite kommt, dass da nur geleugnet wird.
    man schliesst einen frieden, der keiner ist....und der einem innerlich zerstört.

    Zitat von Been Told

    Das was trinity gepostet hat. Einiges davon war ja nicht in den Gesprächen die Screamy gepostet hat nicht dabei.


    das scheinen auch mehrere gespräche zu sein, wenn ich das richtig gelesen habe - so oft wie die sich Hi und Hey sagen ;)


    und warum zum geier lacht glenda andauernd? manchmal seh ich noch nicht mal dass michael einen witz gemacht hat und sie kichert trotzdem dauernd rum :tatort

    vielleicht wollte sie der situation die schärfe nehmen...versuchte 'locker' zu bleiben, wie auch immer. dazu müsste man wohl etwas mehr über die art der beziehung der beiden zueinander wissen, also wie gut sie sich kannten... und manchmal kichert man ja auch aus unsicherheit oder so.
    würd dem nicht zu viel bedeutung beimessen...vielleicht wusste sie nicht so recht, wie sie all diesen tragödien begegnen sollte...solche geständnisse bekommt man ja auch nicht täglich - noch dazu von einem weltstar dieser grösse ;)


    Du hast so was von Recht mit all dem was du da sagst! :heulsuse:respekt


    warum - frag ich mich schon die ganze zeit - hat er das nicht in songs verarbeitet???? oder gibt es da was wovon ich nix weiss??? immerhin hat er das nach den anschuldigungen auf history auch in musik gepackt... oder war ihm das zu privat?! oder hatte er angst, dass dann erst recht wieder alles aus ihm raus bricht?


    ich muss dir recht geben, joe hat ihn was körperlichen und seelischen schmerz angeht früh geprägt... und wie kann es sein, dass es sich sein ganzes leben lang so durchzog? wer hatte da einfluss drauf?


    ich finde keine worte zu dem drama :never

    nunja...childhood st ja mike intimster und autobiografischster song wie man weiss.. damit sagt er ja schon ziemlich viel.
    ich denke er wollte nicht so in private details gehen, weil er ja - letztlich - mit dieser familie auch irgendwie noch leben musste. also kann man ja da keine fiesen songs erwarten. würde ich auch ungehörig finden, sowas hätte auf anderer ebene mal verarbeitet werden müssen. aber dazu müssen alle beteiligten auch bereit und offen sein.
    ausserdem war mike ja immer recht zurückhaltend, was sein privat/familienleben anging. er gestattete ja immer nur kleine einblicke - bis dann eben die presse und die anschuldigungen einige wände einrissen, und alle welt mehr sehen konnte und musste, als michael es je wollte.

    Zitat von Supergirl_Katie

    das scheinen auch mehrere gespräche zu sein, wenn ich das richtig gelesen habe - so oft wie die sich Hi und Hey sagen ;)


    und warum zum geier lacht glenda andauernd? manchmal seh ich noch nicht mal dass michael einen witz gemacht hat und sie kichert trotzdem dauernd rum :tatort


    Ja, das sind viele Gespräche und was wir hören ist nur ein Bruchteil, das ist klar.
    Und wegen dem Lachen - oft hört man gar nicht, was Michael sagt und nicht immer sagt Michael, was da steht...


    Was ich toll finde ist, wie offen und locker Michael mit ihr ist. SO ANDERS als alles, was man von ihm gekannt hat. Sogar seine vielen "Freunde", die ihn immer beschreiben - bis auf sehr wenige, beschreibt ihn fast niemand so. Außer vielleicht Liza Minelli und David Gest.
    Alle reden immer nur davon, wie soft und schüchtern er ist... Leute, die ihn nur so erlebt haben, haben ihn offenbar nie richtig kennengelernt.


    Ich bin so erleichtert einerseits - wie locker und offen er ist. So ehrlich...
    Da wird einem erst bewusst, dass für Michael immer alles Arbeit war. Jedes mal wenn er irgendwo sprach, wo eine Kamera war - es war immer Arbeit. Jedes einzelne Wort, das er jemals in der Öffentlichkeit sagte, war ganz genau überlegt, geplant, genauestens platziert.
    Diese Anspannung und Konzentration, die ihm das abverlangt haben muss...
    Ich habe das Gefühl, dass es für ihn immer sehr anstrengend war und dass er dachte, er muss immer so oder so sein.
    Eins steht jedenfalls fest:
    Der Michael Jackson, den wir da hören ist ein ganz, ganz anderer Mensch, als wir ihn sonst kennen. Und ich danke Gott aus vollstem Herzen, dass es auch diesen Michael Jackson gab.
    Diesen Michael Jackson, der sich traute, NEIN zu sagen und seine Meinung zu sagen!

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