Michael Jackson's longtime costumer unveils book

Zitat von danceoflife

Karen Faye @ wingheart
I have 12 autographs

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

I can count the autographs I have on one hand, and they are precious to
me.

Wenn ich da jetzt nicht was falsch zuordne... Karen Faye hat 12 Finger an einer Hand?

Wow, sehr emotional.....

Schwierig Michael Bush zu unterstellen das...aber trotzdem sehr traurig.

Ich, der Fan, gar nicht zu vergleichen mit MB der gerade während der Prozesszeit immer bei Michael war, hatte große Komplexe Michael nach einem Autogramm zu fragen, obwohl oft die Gelegenheit da war. Ich wollte Michael nur nicht vermitteln, dass mir sein Autogramm wichtiger war, sondern ER selbst! Ein wahrer treu sorgender und liebevoller Mensch/Fan konzentriert sich nicht auf eine Unterschrift! Wenn es danach geht, hätten einige Fans viele Autogramme, doch war es doch so wichtig Michael zu zeigen das WIR da sind, musste Seine Erinnerungen und das was er uns geschenkt hat ist tief in meinem/unserem Herzen!
Jedoch spüre ich und fühle tagtäglich, dass die meisten Menschen anders Fühlen und Denken!
Es ist gar nicht in Worte zu fassen wie furchtbar traurig es ist, das seine Kinder ohne ihn aufwachsen, Michael wünschte sich nicht mehr....
Was ich eigentlich schreiben wollte ist, dass es absolut untragbar ist, wenn Menschen, die das große Glück hatten Michael über Jahre zu begleiten, doch wieder in das alte Schema verfallen: " Michael Jackson ausnutzen und viel Geld verdienen...!

Michael war ein ganz besonderer, warmherziger und großzügiger Mensch, der NIE wollte, dass man sich mit seinem Vermächtnis bzw. sein Schaffen die Taschen voller Dollars vollstopft!
Doch wie im täglichen Leben, werden genau diese Menschen ausgenutzt und zahlen ihren Preis...
Trotzdem war wahrscheinlich das der Grund, warum ich vor 17 Jahren Fan von ihm wurde, da ich seine Einstellung teile, heute und für immer, komme was wolle...

..hier hat jemand während der Buchpromotion in San Francisco mit M.L.Bush über die Kontroverse gesprochen:

I talked to Michael Bush a little yesterday at San Francisco book signing. I posted what he told me in full here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/fo…68&viewfull=1#post3749568

The part about the controversy:

I asked about the auction - when he donated the
costumes to the estate and Why he sold some of the iconic pieces.
He confirmed that he donated clothes to the estate before the Juliens
catalog was put together. He basically gave the estate the first choice
to pick whatever they wanted, and they did. Why they didn't take Bad
tour clothes or HIStory teaser costume - he doesn't know. He said
that they may have copies of some things as stage clothes was
manufactured in 2-3 copies, but he doesn't know for sure. He gave them
what they asked for. (It seems like he donated Smooth Criminal lean
shoes to the estate, because when I asked about them, he said the
estate has them.)
When I asked who made selection - the executors, the kids or Katherine -
he said he didn't know. He assumed it was a collective choice.
Overall it seemed to me, that he is not in close contact with the estate.
Somefans depict Bush as Branca's friend, ally, co-conspirator and whatnot -
he isn't. From his answers is seemed that he communicated with the
estate about the book and the auction through some formal
representative, and he doesn't have much information about what they
have in possession.

I asked about the autograph controversy. Bush declined to comment and
said that he was only there to sign the book and didn't want to touch
that. I said, "Fair enough," but I also told him that I though it was
in his best interest to clear this out, because some fans are
boycotting and harming the book due to the controversy, and the book is
very important for Michael's legacy. He said he understood, and that
the situation would be cleared through proper and official sources.
(I won't hold my breath though. But we'll see). Overall he seemed just a simple and nice guy to me.)

I also asked some of my questions from the Q&A thread:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/fo…bmit-your-questions/page5

I asked if it's true that museums have rejected Michael's clothes (as
was stated in ICONIC magazine). Bush said yes, due to different
reasons, including legal issues and the fact that the clothes should be
preserved under very strict temperature/light conditions which not all
museums are ready to provide. So it seemed more like technical issues
than disdain for MJ (which I feared it might have been).

I asked what happened to the trial suits and if there's any chance that
they'll be featured in a book or exposition in future. Bush said they
are not in his possession. He said Katherine asked for 4 of the suits -
for her to keep. A few of the suits Michael kept, so they are probably
in the estate's possession now. He also said that when he
communicated with the estate about the book, they requested/advised not
to include the trial suits in the book. He plans to release a 2nd
edition/part 2 of the book though, and maybe he'll include them there.
(I won't hold my breath for part 2 either, but who knows... He seemed to be pretty serious about it.)

I asked about the fencing suits and if Versace
had anything to do with them. Bush said that Versace had absolutely
nothing to do with them and was nowhere near. The idea of the fencing
suit was theirs and Michael's, and it was developed by Bush and
Tompkins. He says that maybe the rumor about Versace started because
there is a photo of Michael and Versace together during the Dangerous
tour.

I asked about the runes and funny letters in the HIStory teaser. Bush
said they where Michael's idea and they didn't mean anything - he wanted
something that doesn't belong to any particular language, so that no
country could claim it and it would be equal for every fan in the world.

I asked if MJ's clothes ever didn't work as supposed to on stage, and if
Michael got mad about it. Bush said that no, MJ always laughed it off,
he was very nice and polite to the staff and didn't get anxious about
things like this. He remembered an occasion when a button came off on
MJ's gold HIStory suit, and Michael freaked out because it meant a flap
right on his chest. But Bush quickly fixed it with some stapler.

I asked if Dennis was on tours with Michael - Bush said no, he didn't
like to travel much, he stayed home and worked on new clothes while Bush
helped MJ on the road. That way they made sure all fronts were
covered.

Funny bit: He says when they went somewhere in the car with Michael, MJ
always tried to make him sing karaoke. He used to say, "Come on, Bush,
everybody sings in the shower!" Bush used to reply, "I don't. Don't
make me sing, Michael."

He remembered that Michael used to buy books in different countries of
the world. Because he couldn't do proper sightseeing, he flipped through
books and looked at famous places there.

He said that his relationship with MJ was always more employer/employee
than friends - for example, he usually didn't stay for dinners when he
visited Michael in Neverland, etc. He did see a lot of Michael's life
though, and he says that it was a hard life...

Zitat von Carina

Wenn ich da jetzt nicht was falsch zuordne... Karen Faye hat 12 Finger an einer Hand?

Na ja, die hat ja schon mehrfach gezeigt, dass Denken nicht ihre Stärke ist. Boah diese Frau regt mich dermaßen auf... Und jetzt dieses Rumgeheuchel...

Neuester Stand von heute vor 16 Stunden:

Courtesy of Ron Sweet.

Hello Everyone!

Darren Julien has agreed to conduct an EXCLUSIVE interview with MJJCollectors.com. As you all know, the recent Tompkins & Bush memorabilia auction held by Julien’s Auctions caused quite a bit of controversy among some members of the MJ fan community. Julien wants to state his position and respond to this criticism, and has chosen our site as a forum to do so.

This is YOUR opportunity to ask Darren Julien anything and everything you would like (including, but not limited to, the recent Tompkins & Bush auction). We only have one criteria for this: BE RESPECTFUL. This is NOT an opportunity for anyone to besmirch or attack Julien and/or Michael Bush (you have other platforms for that), and accusatory or disrespectful questions will be deleted from this thread.

If you don’t want your questions to be posted here, you can email them to us privately at admin@mjjcollectors.com. Feel free to ask as many questions as you would like, and we will select the best ones to ask him. Please post here or email your questions on or before Tuesday, December 18th. Okay, then, let’s get started!

Ron

Visionary! Eher Lösung 2 - weil definitiv zwei verschiedene Fake-Fotos der "Standfigur" (Photoshop-Montage) verbreitet wurde und eines der zwei Fotos in den Katalog gebracht wurde. Das haben sie zu klären - es laufen ja seit geraumer Zeit Ermittlungen - und wenn man sich nun offiziell nach 14 Tagen äußert, hat man sicherlich deutliche Beweise!

Zitat von danceoflife

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

This is what hurts...I always supported his art, his integrity, and
defended him over the years, when MJ had his doubts about him. He
severed his friendship with me, for this. RT @neverletyoupart:
@wingheart okay, just ONE thing. I'm not
gonna get into everything but when someone stands by you through the
excruciating experience of laying both your friends to rest, stands next
to you as you speak the truth for years....then suddenly partners up
with a certain group of people who run an estate and SUDDENLY is giving
interviews saying the opposite and cuts off ties with you who he's been
friends with for 25 years.... IS THAT A COINCIDENCE? And then the
auction and the autographs and the...I can't. It's no wonder you get
upset. Timing people....really. Timing. Think. (from http://tl.gd/kaudoj)

Karen Faye @ wingheart

You have more than me ❤ RT @MJJen2000: @wingheart I have 12 autographs
and I couldn't imagine selling any of them!! I don't care how much money
they are worth.

Karen Faye @wingheart
I could no longer hold the pain in my heart silent. I am crying as I tweet these words.

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

I can count the autographs I have on one hand, and they are precious to
me. I could NEVER part with them. It takes forethought of selling them,
to have so many. RT @JennaM0715: @wingheart This is devastating on so
many different levels. I can't imagine how you feel.

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

He knows how I feel, and he knows what I know. I suppose he can't look
into my eyes any longer. RT @TaylaStJames: @wingheart Clearly it's
because had you known he was planning this you would have put your foot
down a while ago. This is SO sad/disgusting.

Karen Faye @wingheart
All I know, it is heartbreaking for me. RT @JennaM0715: @wingheart Isn't this illegal?!

Karen Faye (@wingheart)

Because he has become someone I no longer recognize since he
collaborated with the estate. He broke ties with me, and I am beginning
to see Why. RT @TaylaStJames: @wingheart WOAHHH you gotta be kidding
me!! But why?!

Karen Faye @wingheart
I am shocked and devastatingly sad to see this. Could this be?
pic.
https://twitter.com/wingheart/…78905528493699075/photo/1

No. I felt it was inappropriate. RT @kopforever7: @wingheart did
Michael love his employees to ask for his autograph like fans? Did you
get hundreds of his autographs like Bush?

Karen Faye (wingheart) on Twitter
twitter.com

Alles anzeigen

Twitter nervt....
bis man geschnallt hat wer da jetzt was in welcher Reihenfolge geschrieben hat...

Zitat von danceoflife

I can count the autographs I have on one hand

Sie meint die Autogramme die sie alle auf einer Hand hat.

.hier ist auch noch ein Artikel zu dieser traurigen und beschämenden Problematik:

Investigation: Autographed Michael Jackson Memorabilia May Be Phony</big>
An auction featuring autographed memorabilia from the King of Pop garnered more than $5 million in one day
By Joel Grover, Chris Henao and Phil Drechsler| Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012

Three years after his death, Michael Jackson remains the "King of Pop."
Fans are willing to pay big bucks for almost anything with Jackson’s
autograph. But an NBC4 I-Team Investigation found evidence that some of
these autographs being sold may be fakes.

Acting on a tip, the I-Team attended a Dec. 2 auction at Julien’s Auctions in Beverly Hills
of Jackson memorabilia owned by the singer’s longtime costume designers
Dennis Tompkins and Michael Bush.

The auction garnered more than $5 million in one day. Buyers included Lady Gaga, who tweeted
that she bought 55 items, including a $180,000 jacket with Jackson’s signature.

Experts say many of the items sold for high prices because they were supposedly
autographed by Jackson himself. But five nationally-known autograph
authenticators tell the I-Team that at least some of the auctioned
autographs are probably fakes.

"I would definitely stake my reputation on the fact that these autographs are not authentic,"
autograph authenticator Roger Epperson said after examining signatures
from 50 of the nearly 300 signed items recently auctioned at Julien’s.

Epperson is widely known as one of the nation’s experts on Michael Jackson’s
autograph. He authenticates autographs for some of the nation’s biggest
auction houses, and sells signed memorabilia himself.

One of the items Epperson examined was an autographed jacket (pictured below) from
Jackson’s “Bad” Tour, bought for $4,375 by Beverly Hills dentist Joseph
Goodman. "I am a big Michael Jackson fan," Goodman told the I-Team. "I
wanted something signed."

"There’s a zero percent chance that that’s an authentic signature of
Michael Jackson," Epperson said after examining the signature on the
jacket Goodman bought. "The slant of the 'M' in 'Jackson' leans towards
the right. A real one leans more to the left. The shapes are wrong, the
slants are wrong, the size is wrong."

Experts say authenticating autographs is not science, but rather an expertise based on years of
studying signatures. So the I-Team asked four more well-known
authenticators to examine 11 autographed items from the Julien’s
auction, including PSA/DNA, a company which authenticates for Christie’s
Auction House and eBay.

Three of the four experts said it was their opinions that all 11 signatures were probably fakes.
"Likely Not Genuine" is how PSA/DNA characterized the 11 autographs. The fourth
expert said eight of the autograph samples we sent were "not likely to
be genuine," and on three of them he was "unable to render an opinion."

The I-Team spoke with Michael Bush, Jackson’s longtime designer and the
owner of the items auctioned at Julien’s. The I-Team asked Bush, who
made millions from the Dec. 2 auction, Why he thought experts were
saying the autographs on his memorabilia were fake.

"I don’t know how to respond to it," he said. "I’m going to fake a bunch of
signatures, a bunch of clothes, to destroy my reputation for 25 years of
working for Michael? No, no."

The owner of Julien’s Auctions, Darren Julien, told the I-Team he believes the autographs
he sold are genuine. "They come from someone who worked very closely with Michael
Jackson … the people who made the items for Michael Jackson," Julien said.

The I-Team asked Julien to provide us with the names of any
experts his auction used to authenticate the autographed items he sold
for more than $1.5 million on Dec. 2. Julien told us to contact Laura
Woolley, owner of The Collector’s Lab.

But Woolley told the I-Team she’s an appraiser of auction items, not an autograph
authenticator. And she said one of the authenticators used by the
I-Team, PSA/DNA, is reputable.

"I think they do great work," she said of PSA/DNA.

Woolley did say she’s looked at many of the autographed items in the Julien’s
auction and thinks they’re genuine autographs. "I have no reason to
doubt Michael Bush. The provenance of these signatures is solid,"
Woolley said.

Many autograph experts and buyers disagree, and are posting their comments on websites like Autograph Magazine Live.

"All but a few autographs in the Tompkins and Bush sale (at Julien’s) are so
bad they don’t even resemble Michael Jackson’s signature," said Steve
Cyrkin, editor of Autograph Magazine Live.

Those comments appear to have caught the attention of the FBI. Two of the I-Team’s sources
said they have been contacted by the FBI about the allegedly fake
autographs, and said that the agency requested interviews with them. FBI
Spokesperson Laura Eimiller would "neither confirm nor deny" that the
agency is investigating the autographs sold in the recent auction.

The brewing controversy has some purchasers of Jackson memorabilia feeling
buyer’s remorse, including Goodman, who bought that signed jacket. "If
it’s a fake signature, I don’t think I’m interested anymore" in keeping
the jacket, Goodman said.

Julien has told the I-Team if any customer questions the authenticity of an autographed item they bought,
he will give them their money back.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/…-184043141.htm

..auch NBC hat gestern über die Bush/Juliens Auktion und den in betrügerischer Absicht erstellten/gefälschten Michael Signaturen berichtet:

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badwoman - kann man auch durchaus anders sehen, je nachdem mit welcher Grundeinstellung an die Sache herangeht. Kann auch durchaus eine Frage des Qualitätsmanagements in einer Kundenbeziehung sein. Wenn Du mit einem Produkt auf dem Markt kommst und Deine Kunden, die viel bezahlt haben, durch Dritte verunsichert werden, ist es durchaus üblich und generös anzubieten, bei Unsicherheiten anzubieten das Produkt zum Verkaufspreis zurückzunehmen, um das Vertrauen der Kunden nicht zu verlieren. Wie gesagt immer danach Ausschau halten, was bezweckt werden will. Diese Reportage ist nur aus einer Sicht heraus geschrieben, aber das FBI ermittelt ja bereits!

Zitat von badwoman

ich sag mal so...wenn alles sauber ist - gäbs wenig grund, so 'großzügig' zu sein.

Naja, ob sie nun tatsächlich selber an die Echtheit glauben oder nicht...
einen Image-Schaden für Julien's bedeutet das Ganze in jedem Fall. Da ist so eine
öffentlich verkündete 'Großzügigkeit' nur verständliche Schadensbegrenzung.

Hmmm kurz zu den Buch selbst, ich weiß ja nix über die "Problematik" die hier diskutiert wird.
Ich habe das es als Geschenk für meinen Bruder gekauft und hab es vorab kurz durchgeblättert und bin einfach begeistert. Allein schon wegen den Fotos ist der Kauf lohnenswert.

Zitat von Julian

Hmmm kurz zu den Buch selbst, ich weiß ja nix über die "Problematik" die hier diskutiert wird.
Ich habe das es als Geschenk für meinen Bruder gekauft und hab es vorab kurz durchgeblättert und bin einfach begeistert. Allein schon wegen den Fotos ist der Kauf lohnenswert.

..keine Frage..das Buch is toll :wub..ich hab das auch verschenkt...und hab es auch selbst..ich finde eine richtig gute Anschaffung..:top
..ahja..es gibt ne Übersetzung..so nach und nach alle Kapitel..:top..aus dem forever..