Jackson Lawyer Rips Up Subpoena / Alles zum Schaffel Fall hier

  • http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199071,00.html


    Jackson Lawyer Rips Up Subpoena
    Monday, June 12, 2006
    By Roger Friedman


    Don’t expect Michael Jackson in Los Angeles Superior Court next Monday for his court case with former associate F. Marc Schaffel. I am told that last month, both on the record and on videotape, Jackson’s lawyer Thomas Mundell ripped up a subpoena handed to him by Schaffel’s attorney, Howard King, and refused to let his client be served at a London deposition.


    Not only that, but Mundell announced at the deposition that Jackson would simply not be attending the trial at all. Schaffel is suing Jackson for $4 million, and Jackson is countersuing Schaffel, claiming he stole art from him and took fees he wasn’t owed.


    But in two depositions—one given last September in London and the other just last month—Jackson is said to have conceded that he didn’t know about anything Schaffel had done to him and, moreover, wasn’t clear about whether Schaffel had been his business partner or his employee.


    Jackson, in fact, could not recall who his actual representative were and couldn’t name them, according to sources knowledgeable about the questioning. He did admit, however, that he didn’t like the artwork of Romero Britto, the artist who was commissioned to do several pieces for him. “It’s not my taste,” Jackson told lawyers under questioning.


    He prefers, of course, portraits of "The Last Supper," in which he is featured with Disney characters.


    Jackson v. Schaffel is due to start next Monday with or without Jackson. Mundell, who apparently only met Jackson the day before the May deposition, has little background of the long-running soap opera that has brought all concerned parties to this date. He has said he will win the case using forensic accountants and the trail of paperwork connecting Schaffel to Jackson.


    But much of what Jackson has said in his videotaped depositions contradicts testimony from last year’s child molestation trial about his own finances. Sources say that Jackson’s reponses to questions about his own finances indicate that he either willfully lied under oath in the depositions, or paid no attention at all to testimony he made in the earlier case. The latter is pretty hard to believe, since he was present for all of it.


    The new case should prove to be interesting, because Jackson hopes to defend himself by painting Schaffel as a producer of gay pornography, who doesn’t deserve reimbursement because he’s a “bad man.” But regardless of his vocation, Schaffel is known to keep meticulous records of his financial transactions. Indeed, his records were responsible for helping get Jackson acquitted last year of conspiracy when the government claimed he’d held a family against their will.


    Schaffel’s bookeeping will show dozens of e-mails, memos, cancelled checks and records of wire transfers he sent to Jackson. There will be many letters and contracts presented by Jackson which he signed. In the video depositions, Jackson will be shown these documents and asked to explain how his signature got on them—even as he feigns no knowledge of them.


    Jackson, by the way, despite being represented by Mundell, claims to be residing in Bahrain. According to sources, Mundell said that Jackson is now “the wealthiest homeless person in the world.” But when Jackson was asked who his Bahraini attorney was, he replied “Ahmed. I can’t remember the last name. It’s something Arabic.”

  • Gloves off in Jacko's 3.8M suit



    BY MICHELLE CARUSO
    NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF

    LOS ANGELES - The spotlight will shine again on Michael Jackson's lavish spending and bizarre lifestyle when the fallen pop idol's $3.8 million court battle with a former business associate kicks off tomorrow.
    In the civil suit, Jackson's former video producer, Marc Schaffel, alleges the debt-drenched star owes him $2.1 million for unrepaid loans and expenses, $1 million in unpaid salary, $664,000 in proceeds from two Fox TV specials and $74,000 in legal fees.


    Jackson's counterclaim alleges Schaffel, a former porn film producer, took $250,000 worth of the singer's artworks and pocketed proceeds from the post-9/11 charity single "What More Can I Give."


    Jackson and Schaffel deny each other's claims.


    Lawyers are slated to hammer out last-minute details tomorrow and pick a jury on Tuesday in Santa Monica Superior Court. Opening statements will follow.


    The singer, who has been living in Bahrain, "won't be there for the first part" of the trial, when Schaffel's side presents his evidence, but he may show up later, said his lawyer, Thomas Mundell.


    If Jackson, 48, does not appear, Schaffel's lawyer, Howard King, may play his two-part, videotaped deposition for the jury.


    During the deposition, the wacky singer testified under oath that he got all his spending money in 2003 through "the leasing of cows on the [Neverland] estate .... Yes, believe it or not," he is quoted in court papers as saying.


    At other times, Jackson seemed to have amnesia about his finances, often replying, "I'm foggy about what happened," court papers show.


    Schaffel alleged Jackson's "excessive use of drugs and alcohol impelled him into irrational demands for large amounts of money and extravagant possessions," according to court papers.


    When Jackson was facing child-molestation charges in late 2003, Schaffel produced two TV specials, "Michael Jackson: The Footage You Were Never Meant to See" and "Michael Jackson's Private Home Movies" to boost his image. Jackson reportedly grossed $12 million from the Fox-aired programs, according to court papers.


    Jackson was acquitted of all charges last June.


    This trial is expected to provide yet another glimpse of what insiders call "Michael's World."


    "Jackson carried no credit cards, wrote no checks, carried no walking-around money and had people attending to his every need," Schaffel's trial brief says.


    The pop star was known for leaving rambling incoherent voicemail messages, some of which will be played for the jury, including this one he left for Schaffel in 2001.


    "Marc, it's Michael Jackson calling and I would like to go over orally the agreement 'cause you excited me very much last night - and what you said about how we would make the acquisition of the code word ...."


    Court papers also allege that the pop star shelled out $1 million to his pal Marlon Brando and spent $600,000 on a necklace for Elizabeth Taylor to get their cooperation on entertainment projects.


    Originally published on June 18, 2006

    (new york daily news)

  • Ex-Pal Sues Michael Jackson


    One man noticeably missing from the Michael Jackson molestation trial -- in which the debt-laden super star was acquitted of child molestation charges -- was Michael's longtime -- and now ex-confidante -- Marc Schaffel.


    Now, Schaffel, a former porn film producer, is finally speaking out on the things he saw as part of Michael's inner circle.


    "Did you ever see anything inappropriate go on between Michael Jackson and a little boy?" Access' Tony Potts asked.


    "He thinks I would say it's not an alley I really want to go down right now," Marc told Tony. "I don't believe it to be in Michael's best interest to be gallivanting around orphanages with tons of kids running around even for public speculation, let alone his own."


    Marc is a former business associate and best friend of Michael's. They've been close since the late 1990s – so close, that back in 2002, Marc's father got a personal birthday message from Michael:


    "Happy birthday! This is Michael Jackson calling to say have a wonderful, magical, lovely day today," said Michael, on the recording.


    Michael trusted Marc so much that after the devastating Martin Bashir documentary that tarnishedMichael's image, the popstar askedSchaffelto produce two, now infamous,rebuttal specials in 2003.


    But like most of Michael's associates, the relationship took a turn for the worse.


    Now, Marc is suing Michael for more than $3 million in what he claims are unpaid fees from the specials, as well as personal loans.


    "In your lawsuit it does state that (Michael's) inability to handle his drugs and alcohol would lend him at times to call you in the middle of the night with outrageous demands for cash and money and what have you," Tony said. "What kind of drugs?"


    "Liquor, pills, sleeping pills, Zantac's pain killers, things along those lines," Marc told Tony.


    "A lot of prescribed drugs?" Tony asked.


    "Many, many, prescribed drugs," Marc said.


    "Firsthand knowledge? Cocaine? Any of the hard drugs?" Tony asked.


    "No comment," Marc said.


    But Marc did reveala shocking allegation about Michael's nose to Access.


    "Realistically, Michael Jackson really doesn't have a nose?" Tony asked.


    "He has holes on the side of his nose, which, you know, during times when his nose isn't completely covered, you know, will make a wheezing sound through the nose, and that's been heard quite a bit," Marc explained.


    What about the surgeries?


    "We know that he has had work," Tony said.


    "He's had work," Marc said. "I mean nobody obviously would put themselves in a position to have their nose be like that, where you have to have it taped up or use putty on it," Marc said.


    "So, Michael Jackson would have to tape it up, as you say or putty it to make it look somewhat normal?" Tony asked.


    "Yeah," Marc said. "There is obviously no doubt about that."


    And as for Michael's extravagant spending sprees, according to Schaffel, other people often paid the bills.


    "Michael obviously shops quite a bit," Marc told Tony. "Michael likes to do things. Michael doesn't have access through his normal channels. Michael doesn't carry credit cards.


    "Does he carry cash?" Tony asked.


    "He carries cash when somebody gives him cash," Marc said.




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    Raus mit dem Schmutz ich kann net genug davon haben . Schaffel is ne kleine Wurst total Unnötig so mit dreck um sich zu werfen aber was anderes können diese Leute net :rolleyes Peinlich

  • http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/428178p-361082c.html


    Rush & Molloy:


    Michael Jackson's legal battle with former porn producer Marc Schaffel has been postponed till
    next Monday. Schaffel, who produced Jackson's 9/11 tribute song, "What More Can I Give," has
    sued the pop star for $3.8 million he claims he's owed. Schaffel also told "Access Hollywood" last
    night that the singer has a fake nose. Jackson family lawyer Brian Oxman tells us Schaffel is
    going on TV because his case is so weak. What's more, the singer "does not wear a prosthesis."…


    Originally published on June 20, 2006

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    BY MICHELLE CARUSO
    NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF


    (new york daily news)
    [/b]


    MICHELLE CARUSO... :rolleyes die hat auch damals die geschichte mit jermaine gepusht - ´ne ganz gute freundinn & verbündete von stacy brown und dimond :top ...


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    The pop star was known for leaving rambling incoherent voicemail messages, some of which will be played for the jury, including this one he left for Schaffel in 2001.


    "Marc, it's Michael Jackson calling and I would like to go over orally the agreement 'cause you excited me very much last night - and what you said about how we would make the acquisition of the code word ...."[/b]


    :rolleyes oh, mann... ja warum eigentlich nicht - einfach alles bloßlegen bis nichts mehr da ist...


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    Court papers also allege that the pop star shelled out $1 million to his pal Marlon Brando and spent $600,000 on a necklace for Elizabeth Taylor to get their cooperation on entertainment projects. [/b]


    ;D Respekt!! :top ... Seichter gehts echt nicht mehr...

  • <div class='quotetop'>ZITAT (666 @ 20. Juni 2006 - 14:02) [snapback]117288[/snapback]</div>

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    Ex-Pal Sues Michael Jackson


    "Did you ever see anything inappropriate go on between Michael Jackson and a little boy?" Access' Tony Pottsasked.
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    Raus mit dem Schmutz ich kann net genug davon haben . Schaffel is ne kleine Wurst total Unnötig so mit dreck um sich zu werfen aber was anderes können diese Leute net :rolleyes Peinlich
    [/b]


    666 : Quelle ?


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    Coke... tzz, niemals; - nicht in tausend Jahren ;D (oder doch? vielleicht 2001?? Ach, quatsch :tatort)


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    But Marc did reveal a shocking allegation about Michael's nose to Access.


    "Realistically, Michael Jackson really doesn't have a nose?" Tony asked.


    "He has holes on the side of his nose, which, you know, during times when his nose isn't completely covered, you know, will make a wheezing sound through the nose, and that's been heard quite a bit," Marc explained. [/b]


    Du bist echt ein ekel-erregende Drecksau, schaffel ;D !! ...Gratulation :top!


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    "He's had work," Marc said. "I mean nobody obviously would put themselves in a position to have their nose be like that, where you have to have it taped up or use putty on it," Marc said. [/b]


    putty = Kitt ... :rolleyes ... Was ist die Steigerung zu obigem ^^ ;D


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    "So, Michael Jackson would have to tape it up, as you say or putty it to make it look somewhat normal?" Tony asked.


    "Yeah," Marc said. "There is obviously no doubt about that." [/b]


    Ach so, ja :D ... offensichtlich also :top...


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    :D ... Also erst einmal, widersprechen sich all diese Sachen mit den Aussagen :D


    "Michael trägt Kohle mit sich rum, wenn ihm jemand Kohle gibt ?? " wie bei nem´ Kleinkind, oder wie Marc?
    "Da hast du 5 $, jetzt kauf dir n´ schönes Eis ... " ???


    Das würde dann eigentlich zeigen, das Mike ein Geld-kontroll-problem hat, und er es weiss, und deswegen...


    ach man, schaffel... - kann eigentlich hier irgendjemand mal klartext reden :?






    ... nein?
    Hmm, dachte ich mir ;D

  • Jackson's Finances At Center Of Trial


    June 20, 2006, 10:35 AM ET


    A year after Michael Jackson was acquitted of child molestation charges, a lawsuit by a former associate is headed for a trial that will put Jackson's chaotic financial dealings in the spotlight. The pop star is not expected in court but he will be seen through videotaped depositions.


    "To my knowledge, he's not scheduled for any court appearances," said Jackson's spokesperson, Raymone K. Bain. She said that Jackson, who has been living in Bahrain, is traveling in Europe. He answered questions twice in depositions in London.


    Jackson is being sued by F. Marc Schaffel for $3.8 million in what Schaffel says are unrepaid loans and expenses, unpaid salary for work on a charity record and his share of proceeds from two TV specials that were produced to bolster Jackson's battered reputation after child molestation allegations surfaced.


    Facts involved in Jackson's criminal trial last year are likely to be revisited when Schaffel testifies about his role in attending to the family of a boy who claimed he was molested by Jackson.


    But most of the witnesses called by Schaffel will be money managers and business advisers. Jury selection is set for July 26.



    Bitter feelings between Jackson and Schaffel are evident in pretrial briefs. Schaffel's attorney, Howard King, portrayed the singer as an incurable spendthrift who sought financial guidance from advisers, then ignored it.


    "Jackson carried no credit cards, wrote no checks, carried no 'walking around money' and had people attending to his every need," said King's trial brief. "Jackson hired competent advisers to make business decisions then frequently ignored the decisions being made and ... incurred expenses without regard to any rational limits or accountability, as though funds were endless..."


    For his part, Jackson claims that Schaffel defrauded him and hid the facts of his allegedly shady past.


    (AP/billboard.com)

  • Michael Jackson's finances center of trial


    Michael Jackson is being sued by a former associate named F. Marc Schaffel for $3.8 million. Schaffel states that the lawsuit is for unrepaid loans and expenses, unpaid salary for work on a charity record and proceeds from two TV specials.


    Michael Jackson is not expected to be in court but will be seen through videotaped depositions. "To my knowledge, he's not scheduled for any court appearances," said Jackson's spokeswoman, Raymone K. Bain.


    There will be some facts likely to be revisited from Jackson's criminal trial last year when Schaffel testifies about his role in attending to the family. Most of the witnesses called by Schaffel will be money managers and business advisers. Jury selection is set for July 26.


    MJJF


    JACKSON MUSS VOR GERICHT - "Unheilbarer Geldverschwender"


    Michael Jackson muss sich erneut vor Gericht verantworten. Sein ehemaliger Produzent hat ihn auf Schadensersatz in Millionenhöhe verklagt - wegen nicht gezahlter Gehälter. Der Popsänger dagegen sieht sich selbst als Opfer.


    Hamburg - Jackson wird nicht persönlich vor Gericht erscheinen, sagte seine Sprecherin Raymone K. Bain. Derzeit reise der Popsänger, der vor kurzem noch in Bahrein gelebt hat, durch Europa. Er wird sich deshalb nur via Videobotschaft äußern.


    Der Produzent F. Marc Schaffel verklagte Jackson auf 3,8 Millionen Dollar. Dabei handle es sich um nicht zurück gezahlte Kredite, Auslagen und Gehälter für seine Arbeit an einer Charity-CD, so der Produzent. Außerdem habe ihm Jackson seinen Anteil am Erlös der Produktion zweier TV-Specials, die hergestellt wurden, um Jacksons Ruf nach dem Missbrauchsprozess wiederherzustellen, nicht ausbezahlt. Die Wahl der Geschworenen ist für den 26. Juni avisiert.


    Schaffels Anwalt, Howard King, beschreibt den Sänger als unheilbaren Verschwender: "Jackson hatte nie Kreditkarten oder Bargeld bei sich, er unterschrieb auch keine Schecks. Seine Leute organisierten alles für ihn." Jackson habe zwar oft kompetente Berater angeheuert. Meistens habe er deren Ratschläge aber ignoriert und einfach ohne Unterlass Geld ausgegeben - in der Annahme, es könne nie ausgehen.


    Der Popsänger habe Schaffel um mehrere Millionen Dollar betrogen, so King. In der Öffentlichkeit werde Jackson als empfindsamer Künstler wahrgenommen, der sich einzig und allein auf sein kreatives Schaffen konzentriere. Der Prozess aber werde zeigen, dass Jackson ein Meister der Beeinflussung sei.


    Jackson behauptet dagegen, dass Schaffel ihn betrogen und nichts von seiner dubiosen Vergangenheit erzählt habe. "Es ist eine Untertreibung, wenn gesagt wird, dass Schaffel eine zwielichtige Person ist", so Jacksons Anwalt Thomas C. Mundell. "Er ist ein professioneller Schwindler." Im Auftrag von Jackson habe er Millionen von Dollars hin und her geschoben. Nicht Jackson schulde Schaffel Geld, sondern umgekehrt. Nachdem der Popsänger erfahren habe, dass es Schaffels Zweitjob war, Pornofilme zu produzieren, habe er mit ihm gebrochen.


    Bereits zweimal musste sich Jackson wegen des Vorwurfs der sexuellen Belästigung eines Kindes vor Gericht verantworten, zuletzt vor drei Jahren. 2005 wurde er in allen Anklagepunkten freigesprochen. In Kürze beginnt der Prozess um das Sorgerecht seiner Kinder mit Ex-Frau Debbie Rowe. Die Mutter von Prince Michael Jackson Jr. und Paris Michael Katherine Jackson behauptet der Popsänger sei nicht der leibliche Vater, um sich so auf diese Weise den Zugang zu dem gemeinsamen Nachwuchs zu erstreiten.


    aki/AP


    Spiegel

  • Ganz unabhängig von dem ganzen Müll (warum auch immer Herr Schaffel sich zu Michaels Nasen-Problemen äußert, wenn es um unbezahlte Rechnungen geht...) glaube ich, dass Michael diese Geschichte verlieren wird.

  • Hoffen wir auf das Beste.


    Ich glaube an einen außergerichtlichen Vergleich

    Michael und Madonna streiten sich, wer wohl reicher ist von Beiden. Madonna:" Ich bin so reich, dass ich die ganze Welt kaufen könnte."
    Michael grinst, zuckt lässig die Schultern, schiebt die Hände in die Hosentaschen und meint lakonisch:" Ich verkaufe aber nicht."


    Die ganze Welt ist ein Irrenhaus,
    Aber bei Mir ist die Zentrale.


    Fragt nicht Wo, fragt nicht Wann, fragt nicht Wieso
    ABER wir werden uns wiedersehen !

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    Hoffen wir auf das Beste.


    Ich glaube an einen außergerichtlichen Vergleich
    [/b]


    eher nicht, denn der wurde abgewiesen.


    ich glaube (leider) auch, dass michael zahlen muss - allerdings vermute ich, dass die summe nicht ganz hinkommt, die sich onkel schaffel da erhofft....



    diese fu**ing miese nasengeschichte hat er übrigens schon mal erzählt, erinnere ich mich.
    da hat er mike angeblich "oben ohne" gesehen, er hätte nur löcher, wo normalerweise die nase wäre...


    der gute mensch is verbittert, und ne dreckschleuder par excellence.
    michael sollte ihn alleine schon wegen beleidigung und rufmord verklagen,
    wenn er so nen stinkenden mist verbreitet.
    selbst WENN es wahr WÄRE - ich würde das niemandem ungestraft durchgehen lassen, solch eine schei$$e rauszulassen, um aufmerksamkeit und ein paar kröten für nen beschissenen, verlogenen artikel zu bekommen.
    mike soll endlich mal die hände aus den taschen nehmen, und solchen arschlöchern ein richtiges brett vors maul hauen.


    sorry, aber das musste mal gesagt werden. :tatort:Q

  • Da würd sich Schaffel vfreuen über einen Ausergerichtliche Einingung . Wäre wie ein sieg für ihn und des ohne viel Arbeit .Ne Ne auf solche sachen sollte man sich net mehr einlassen man sieht ja wo des endet . Da kommt dann ja jeder ;)




    Und ich muss echt sagen das ich Michael Bewundere bei solchen sachen. Andere Werfen mit Schmutz Eimerweiße ums sich und er sagt nie ein bösses Wort bzw hat sowas net nötig in der Öffentlichkeit .Gehört schon einiges dazu und Bedeutet ja auch net das er nicht kämpft . Nein so ein Kampf sollte da ausgetragen werden wo er hingehört im Gericht alles andere is Kindisch und was weiß ich noch

  • das ist halt 777 :holy:bussi:grgrins

    [CENTER]
    Rot ist das Blut des Adlers. Rot ist das Blut des roten Mannes. Rot ist das Blut des schwarzen Mannes. Rot ist das Blut des weißen Mannes.
    Wir sind alle Brüder.
    ( Medizinmann von Alcatraz,1969)[/CENTER]

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    Und ich muss echt sagen das ich Michael Bewundere bei solchen sachen. Andere Werfen mit Schmutz Eimerweiße ums sich und er sagt nie ein bösses Wort bzw hat sowas net nötig in der Öffentlichkeit .Gehört schon einiges dazu und Bedeutet ja auch net das er nicht kämpft . Nein so ein Kampf sollte da ausgetragen werden wo er hingehört im Gericht alles andere is Kindisch und was weiß ich noch
    [/b]


    Wie recht du hast :top Michael macht das genau richtig :top

  • Interesting points from MJJF:


    QUOTE
    rsw22


    This is the thing. Schaffel was fired. He begged Michael, appealing to him saying that there were those who wanted to smear him, in the same way Michael had been victimised by those who wanted to harm him.


    This is why this whole thing is so painful to Michael. He tried to appeal to Michael's own sense of being villified. I guess he was even on his knees literally or metaphorically, begging not to be fired, as he asked that he deserved a second chance.


    Let Michael's lawyer reveal that to the jury and they will see how a conartist he is. He begged to be given a second chance and tried explaining that most things were lies. That's why Michael's lawyer is saying that Schaffel hid the true nature of his past from Michael. Then when Michael is led to believe Schaffel deserves a second chance away from those who tried to smear him, what does Schaffel do? He cons MJ.


    And Schaffel cannot talk about MJ playing his advisers when they were the ones trying to play MJ. All the lawyer has to do is whip out that photo of Konitzer with Schaffel at the Ivy. And then whip out Debbie's statements about Schaffel at the trial. And also whip out the connection between Schaffel, Konitzer and the third guy. These are 3 fellows, in touch with each other, claiming they are being played one against the other. Who are they fooling?
    Schaffel may end up like Janet Arvizo. Try to scam someone and end up with a criminal case. Worse still is if he is forced under oath to explain the 5 social security numbers, he can't take the 5th.




    MJJ

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    Da würd sich Schaffel vfreuen über einen Ausergerichtliche Einingung . Wäre wie ein sieg für ihn und des ohne viel Arbeit .Ne Ne auf solche sachen sollte man sich net mehr einlassen man sieht ja wo des endet . Da kommt dann ja jeder ;)
    Und ich muss echt sagen das ich Michael Bewundere bei solchen sachen. Andere Werfen mit Schmutz Eimerweiße ums sich und er sagt nie ein bösses Wort bzw hat sowas net nötig in der Öffentlichkeit .Gehört schon einiges dazu und Bedeutet ja auch net das er nicht kämpft . Nein so ein Kampf sollte da ausgetragen werden wo er hingehört im Gericht alles andere is Kindisch und was weiß ich noch
    [/b]



    Ich glaube, dass liegt eher daran das er von gewissen Dingen überhaupt nichts weiß...dann isses auch einfach sowas zu ignorieren. ;)


    "Dont come with bad news" :D

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    Ich glaube, dass liegt eher daran das er von gewissen Dingen überhaupt nichts weiß...dann isses auch einfach sowas zu ignorieren. ;)


    "Dont come with bad news" :D
    [/b]




    Hm ich glaub das er verklagt wird hat er schon mitbekommen jetzt . Und man sieht daran das Grace sich bei Roger beschwert hat per Tel das er wohl schon einiges mitbekommt . So ahnungslos is er glaub ich net .Klar alles kann man auch net immer mitbekommen is auch net möglich denk ich ;)

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